That is how I read the reg's, in a safe, unloaded, no trigger lock, ammo stored with the firearm okay. I keep my mags topped up in my safe with my firearms, no trigger locks on anything. I also keep a copy of my registration in the safe.
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That is how I read the reg's, in a safe, unloaded, no trigger lock, ammo stored with the firearm okay. I keep my mags topped up in my safe with my firearms, no trigger locks on anything. I also keep a copy of my registration in the safe.
Good call. Section 22 of the court document:
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I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit.
Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues,the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed.
The police vault that got infected with bed bugs was just icing on the cake too.
http://firearmslaw.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Barnes-Reasons-for-Judgement.pdf
The reddit discussion as well
https://www.reddit.com/r/canadaguns/comments/3kh6ck/friendly_reminder_are_your_firearms_properly/
Given that it's so easy to go that little bit further - because "if it saves one life" - my new storage policy is as follows: I put a cable lock on my pistol, through the barrel, out the e-port, I then trigger lock it, then I put it in a steel transport box, which I lock with 2 padlocks with different keys from the same maker (visually identical) I then put the transport box in a gun cabinet that is locked, and then I wrap a 6 foot length of logging chain around the cabinet which is incidentally welded inside my safe (an old bank safe) which I have inside my concrete reinforced underground gun room, with a steel cage round it (the safe has a cage around it, not the reinforced concrete bunker - that would be silly). All ammunition is kept 3 Km away in a secret location, but I use more comprehensive security for that, that I can't disclose without violating the terms of an end-user agreement I have with the manufacturer. Magazines, pinned to one round of course - "think of the children", are across town in a safe deposit box which I got fake ID to purchase and have to show to gain access on the 4 days a week that the bank is actually open. All in all, I'm pretty satisfied that my Ruger Mark 1 is, at least somewhat, safe.
PS - for those wondering about the security of the keys to this, I have them in a safe deposit box in a bank in another town, 3 hours away. You can never be too safe.
PS - for those wondering about the security of the keys to this, I have them in a safe deposit box in a bank in another town, 3 hours away. You can never be too safe.
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How did you get an advanced look at the new Liberal gun legislation?
Like they need to write new regs for some gun owners - they'd immolate themselves if they thought it would make them more than legally compliant.
What some of the more "seasoned" guys are trying to say is there's no definition of "safe" in Canadian law and as such any locked metal container is a "safe" in this context.
No prosecutor would be able to prove otherwise unless you get a deaf, blind and mute monkey for legal defense.
No prosecutor would be able to prove otherwise unless you get a deaf, blind and mute monkey for legal defense.
"[22]
I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit.
Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues,the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed."
Remember that this was a provincial court decision.
Another judge may see things differently.
I personally do not take that chance when the consequences can be so severe. Even if found innocent you will have spent months of your life and tens of thousands of dollars getting there.
But who knows, maybe you have a good lawyer and deep pockets, in which case take this and a few other items to the supreme court for us please.
Or just get a safe...
I find that the cabinets in which the defendant's prohibited firearms were stored fall within the definition of a safe. Both of the lockers in which the prohibited firearms were stored were made of steel. Each cabinet was securely locked: one by a key and a padlock; the other by a locking system that uses a key to unbolt rods in the door from the frame of the unit.
Indeed, despite their disagreement on other issues,the Crown and the defence expert both accepted that the units were securely locked. The Crown has not proven beyond a reasonable doubt that there was non-compliance with the regulation. The charges are dismissed."
Remember that this was a provincial court decision.
Another judge may see things differently.
I personally do not take that chance when the consequences can be so severe. Even if found innocent you will have spent months of your life and tens of thousands of dollars getting there.
But who knows, maybe you have a good lawyer and deep pockets, in which case take this and a few other items to the supreme court for us please.
Or just get a safe...
define "safe" please
Do you think Crowns like losing on FA cases - they lost once, they won't go there again unless they really have to.
I'm curious as to why there is so much importance place on the word "safe".
The firearms act also uses the words "container" or "receptacle" and specifies they need to be "kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into".
Also, nowhere does it specify it needs to be immobilized or secured to a wall.
I agree with those who state, it's better to be overly secure than less so. If you have several firearms (i imagine most of you do), than a safe makes sense. Also, immobilizing said safe is a good idea, because if someone were to illegally enter your home they would not be able to leave with it so easily. Does it make it more legal? I don't think so. But it's just a good idea.
As I understand it, an unloaded, trigger locked handgun in a locked toolbox with it's ammo (separate from the handgun) is appropriate.
All that being said, if you only have a couple handguns, then a 53$ Walmart "safe" would also work.
The firearms act also uses the words "container" or "receptacle" and specifies they need to be "kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into".
Also, nowhere does it specify it needs to be immobilized or secured to a wall.
I agree with those who state, it's better to be overly secure than less so. If you have several firearms (i imagine most of you do), than a safe makes sense. Also, immobilizing said safe is a good idea, because if someone were to illegally enter your home they would not be able to leave with it so easily. Does it make it more legal? I don't think so. But it's just a good idea.
As I understand it, an unloaded, trigger locked handgun in a locked toolbox with it's ammo (separate from the handgun) is appropriate.
All that being said, if you only have a couple handguns, then a 53$ Walmart "safe" would also work.
100% compliant with existing law and regulation. The bit about the keys is actually important for 2 reasons:
1) people have had issues with the police for their unlicensed wives having access to their guns
2) if no one else has keys, what goes in the safe is your business - many more people have had trouble with divorce because they didn't restrict access to their gun safe.
Pleased and peace of mind that my storage unit is actually called GunVault...nice unit would recommend..
Like an earlier poster mentioned since the requirement is to trigger lock them for transport to/from the range,
I leave them trigger locked when stored in said vault as well...
Like an earlier poster mentioned since the requirement is to trigger lock them for transport to/from the range,
I leave them trigger locked when stored in said vault as well...
