Jasper National Park traditional hunt

Sunchild 2071; Thank you for sharing. If all hunters, regardless of tribe, religion or race followed even some of these respectful traditions, our rights as hunters would be in much better and healthier condition.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
VanIsleCam

I see the argument, but don't think it takes away from the traditional part, wholly ...

... I can only speak for what a few of us do.
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You explained it well. I'm glad to know there are people doing it that way and I hope you carry on like that.


I like hearing bagpipes. One of my uncles plays them and I think some old ways are worth preserving and passing on. (Not going to make anyone else listen.)
 
Until we live in a nation where we are all regarded as equal under the law, we will endure further discrimination and division.

Surely, those who have already suffered discrimination and division should understand this more than any other.

I fear, that enjoying a moment of recognition has blinded those who temporarily benefit from this division.

We are united as citizens with equal rights, or we are not.

Those who hold the assets of our great nation, are laughing their asses off at us as we devour each other at their benefit.

If we could stand together, anything is possible. Sadly, i think we are long past that.
 
Sunchild2071 said:
VanIsleCam

I see the argument, but don't think it takes away from the traditional part, wholly.

Each region/tribe, will have their own similarities and differences in what is "traditional".

For us (not speaking for others), a traditional hunt will happen firstly, in accordance with natural law. Certain ceremonies will be performed prior to the hunt, before if it is even decided if we should be allowed to hunt.

Offerings are made (we don't take without giving, first).

During the hunt, we live off the land. TeePees, or Tipis (whichever is preferred) are our shelter, or natural lean-tos. Not a TeePee you can buy at the store. Made by an elder who has been passed down the traditional skills and position to make such things, and given in traditional ways.

Animals are not just taken and killed. When we down an animal, there are rights, reserved for the hunters alone, where we consume some of the vitals, immediately, at the kill. To respect, and bond with the life that we take.

The entire animal is harvested.

When we get back, there is further ceremony to perform, and in the end, the animal which has been harvested is not kept by the hunters, but given to the community. Elders, the poor. Those who need it. Ladies who tan will take the hide. Bone and hoof will become regalia for traditional outfits.

That is just the nutshell overview. It is way more in depth than that little blurb. These are the ways it was done many generations before us, by those that left before us, and have left us the knowledge of these ways.

Not everyone does that. We take it quite seriously, and do it right, or not at all. Our kids and grandkids snare and trap, those wild foods are an important part of our diet, and way of life. The key being "wild".

That animal taken in the back bush quarter of the farm is a pet. Should not be taken.

Yes, we use rifles. We get to where we hunt with a truck.

Where did the modern things come from? How did the traditional people get them? What was bartered/negotiated for these modern things? Other than tribes in the deepest of jungles who have never had modern contact (good for them), no human on this earth should be relegated to live in the stone age. Progress happens. I still hear stories of when the whole tribe came to get their yearly allotment of bullets (as provided under the treaty) for hunting.

Our ancestors were smart when they negotiated the treaties. They were not thinking of themselves. They were thinking of the generations they would never get to see with their own eyes.

Those with the view that a traditional hunt has to fit the 60's Hollywood images of "traditional people", have probably watched a little too much television.

And there are those who just flat out abuse the rights as laid out in the treaties. I fully understand when there is outcry about that. We are trying to eliminate that within our communities, as well. We have a hard time with seeing that around us, and we work with youth, to try and get this whole mess turned around, before anything left of what is "traditional", is gone. The true traditional way demands respect for all living things around us. Not alot of us doing this. It is a struggle, but if we give up, then we have failed.

Many don't like us. The way we do things is hard work, and daily devotion to a certain way of being. They want the easy way.

The article states the hunters are using traditional territory. I don't know how it is that they intend to conduct the hunt. But I do know some people that live out that way, that are working to keep the old ways alive.

I can only speak for what a few of us do.
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What a crock of H:S:H:S:!! Guess you had lots of time to learn that speech while incarcerated??
 
the spank said:
What a crock of H:S:H:S:!! Guess you had lots of time to learn that speech while incarcerated??
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Prejudice. That will get you nowhere in life. Sunchild didn't have to speak on the matter cause of people like you who don't like First Nations (Call us First Nations, only Indians can refer to others as Indians.) No matter what we do, someone is unhappy, we sustenance hunt to feed our family and feed others who are unable to hunt for themselves. Please change your attitude towards First Nations Hunters.
 
Marshnasty said:
Prejudice. That will get you nowhere in life. Sunchild didn't have to speak on the matter cause of people like you who don't like First Nations (Call us First Nations, only Indians can refer to others as Indians.) No matter what we do, someone is unhappy, we sustenance hunt to feed our family and feed others who are unable to hunt for themselves. Please change your attitude towards First Nations Hunters.
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Actually, it's "indigenous" now, not "first nations". For the time being anyhow.

And in legal terms, it's "indian", as written in the treaties. Unless of course we abolish the treaties, which would be a great idea.
 
Marshnasty said:
Prejudice. That will get you nowhere in life. Sunchild didn't have to speak on the matter cause of people like you who don't like First Nations (Call us First Nations, only Indians can refer to others as Indians.) No matter what we do, someone is unhappy, we sustenance hunt to feed our family and feed others who are unable to hunt for themselves. Please change your attitude towards First Nations Hunters.
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Prejudice? Not!! Realist? Check!!

I’M METIS and still think it’s a crock! Using the term “traditional” in the context of “traditional rights” is absolute garbage. The word should be replaced with “special” as in we want “special rights”. As far as I am concerned given our present day system there is extremely little need for subsistence harvest and our wildlife populations are unable to support it. Human numbers far outweigh the amount of “wild” food available hence how we learned to domesticate and farm to feed ourselves. If you can feed yourself and your family within the framework of the modern game management model and in areas deemed so for it then I am behind you 100% but stepping outside those boundaries and obtaining “special rights to harvest” under the guise of “traditional hunting” is absolutely deceitful. You want traditional? Trade the GMC for moccasins. Forget about things like soap, eye glasses, modern medicine, modern clothing, heating sources, modern weapons. Go back to the teepee, no washrooms, no toilet paper, be true traditional! Crap and pee outside your teepee at will, hunt with a stick, stone or bow or run the animals off a cliff, if you break a leg try to fix it yourself and walk around with a bent leg the rest of your life as your forefathers did barely 150 years ago. And when you become too old or are physically unable to feed yourself be willing to accept your fate of being left behind as a burden to others as the tribe moved to a new site. Leave the modern trappings of convenience introduced by the European settlers and explorers behind. Then you can talk to me about “traditional” and call me prejudice!!!
 
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This nonsense has to end because there is nothing traditional about it. No special rights for any one group; one law for all. Why? Because its 2017 not 1817.
 
bearkilr said:
Actually, it's "indigenous" now, not "first nations". For the time being anyhow.

And in legal terms, it's "indian", as written in the treaties. Unless of course we abolish the treaties, which would be a great idea.
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Indigenous is a blanket term referring to First Nations, Metis, and Inuit, not trying to be an expert or anything but just a pet peeve of mine.
 
Pictures taken during this hunt. Look at the rifle/scope, and the camo. Nothing traditional , and not cheap either. These people don't need to hunt because they can't afford to buy food.

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The whitetail is even caped for mounting, and all three animals would be considered trophies.

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First Nation traditional hunters harvest 6 animals in Jasper National Park

"...the group harvested six animals in total: three elk, two bighorn sheep and one whitetail deer, all of which will be shared by the community...."

"Parks Canada was proud to support the Simpcw First Nation to conduct traditional harvest activities in Jasper National Park in a safe and sustainable way," Alan Fehr, a field unit superintendent, said in the release."

"...The traditional hunt in Jasper National Park was another step toward reconciliation for the First Nation, and the government's recognition of the importance of the hunt was key...."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/simpcw-first-nation-traditional-hunt-jasper-park-1.4350639

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Medicine Lake, Jasper National Park :cool:
 
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