Definitely looks that way according to Cipri Ciprii of M+M Inc when she stated "Well guys Wanstall stated that M+M went back on their word and won't honour any pre sale. Probably wantsall doesent want to take any loss on the presale."
Wanstall's finally responds;
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Definitely looks that way according to Cipri Ciprii of M+M Inc when she stated "Well guys Wanstall stated that M+M went back on their word and won't honour any pre sale. Probably wantsall doesent want to take any loss on the presale."
Maybe because I have background in running a business, I just don't see how this is WS fault. If M&M said they would give them the rifles, and this was the price, then they had the right to have a pre-sale, whether there was a verbal contract or a written contract.
Think about this: Why would WS, a reputable, established company, just decide one day that they could probably get their hands on this rifle, so they would conduct a pre-sale at a guesstimated price?
The legal grey area is if M&M said they could have the rifles at $x but then later decided that they won't sell them directly to WS, but instead through a distributor (NS), and now the price will be $x.
Also, I think that some of you (I'm sure you can figure out who you are) really need to give yourself a reality check. All this boycotting talk is laughable. This isn't the USA. We don't have multiple gun stores in every city. We don't have a huge market where firearms manufacturers are racing to sell to us, and making Canadian Law compliant firearms first. We are a nobody market. As such, we get dealt with accordingly. You want to boycott NS, that's cool. So therefore, you can never buy any IWI, Kriss, Norinco, FN, and Smith & Wesson firearms. That's a huge chunk of firearms you would principally not own, in an already small market of legal firearms. If you have a problem with what MD Charlton does, are you going to no longer purchase any SIG's or any of their firearms? If you have a problem with the Gravel Agency, are you going to no longer purchase any Bushmaster or Remington firearms? Pretty soon, you are going to be out of firearms that you would own based on your "principles".
I am sorry, but being in a small market, sometimes you just have to suck it up and take what you can get. Perhaps it sounds like a defeatist attitude (which is impossible seeing as I'm probably one of the younger people in this forum at 28, and my PAL is processing with the RCMP at the moment) but it is the realistic view of what I have learned since deciding that I wanted to own firearms in Canada.
If someone personally ripped you off, then fine, I'm all for stopping supporting that company or person. But none of you that pre-ordered this rifle were personally ripped off. Inconvenienced, yes; personally ripped off, no. You got offered your money back. It would have been a rip off if they didn't give you your money back.
And just to clarify, I quite honestly don't give a $h1t about this rifle. I just enjoy watching this all unfold (much like watching American Politics unfold, fascinating).
Think about this: Why would WS, a reputable, established company, just decide one day that they could probably get their hands on this rifle, so they would conduct a pre-sale at a guesstimated price?
The legal grey area is if M&M said they could have the rifles at $x but then later decided that they won't sell them directly to WS, but instead through a distributor (NS), and now the price will be $x.
Also, I think that some of you (I'm sure you can figure out who you are) really need to give yourself a reality check. All this boycotting talk is laughable. This isn't the USA. We don't have multiple gun stores in every city. We don't have a huge market where firearms manufacturers are racing to sell to us, and making Canadian Law compliant firearms first. We are a nobody market. As such, we get dealt with accordingly. You want to boycott NS, that's cool. So therefore, you can never buy any IWI, Kriss, Norinco, FN, and Smith & Wesson firearms. That's a huge chunk of firearms you would principally not own, in an already small market of legal firearms. If you have a problem with what MD Charlton does, are you going to no longer purchase any SIG's or any of their firearms? If you have a problem with the Gravel Agency, are you going to no longer purchase any Bushmaster or Remington firearms? Pretty soon, you are going to be out of firearms that you would own based on your "principles".
I am sorry, but being in a small market, sometimes you just have to suck it up and take what you can get. Perhaps it sounds like a defeatist attitude (which is impossible seeing as I'm probably one of the younger people in this forum at 28, and my PAL is processing with the RCMP at the moment) but it is the realistic view of what I have learned since deciding that I wanted to own firearms in Canada.
If someone personally ripped you off, then fine, I'm all for stopping supporting that company or person. But none of you that pre-ordered this rifle were personally ripped off. Inconvenienced, yes; personally ripped off, no. You got offered your money back. It would have been a rip off if they didn't give you your money back.
And just to clarify, I quite honestly don't give a $h1t about this rifle. I just enjoy watching this all unfold (much like watching American Politics unfold, fascinating).
You assume M+M provided a price. Neither Wanstalls nor M+M have said this happened. Wanstalls just said they were told they could get distributor level pricing. M+M said they hadnt even set a price for Canada yet, which I believe, so where would Wanstalls pull 1450 from? By calling a U.S. distributor is my guess.
Serious, I saw only 3 guys, give some feedback score... I suspect only three rifle has been sold
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I agree with you 100%
I'm just maybe trying to say
Things as not always clear as to what is going on . As all people involved have their own agenda
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Yeah. So far the big bullies get no negative fb.
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Which means someone is going to Lock it soon...
Still mad you didn't get your refund yet?
Exactly. But hey, I guess you, and all the others in here aren't sociopaths. Just me.
The m+m msrp on their page was always $1250usd. And just t before pricing with north sylva was announced it got bumped to 1499usd. I doubt wanstalls would have been in the hole more than 100$ per rifle if they would have honoured the pre sale.
i have a bridge somewhere and the famous Eiffel tower to sale ...
So they are the SOLE distributer/wholesaler/whatever for these brands? I thought Norinco was brought in by a number of businesses and no one had exclusive rights to them in Canada.
Except that, unlike before, NS has to make their cut. So whatever M+M's new fake price was, still had to have Distributors profit added to it, and then it would be sold to WS, and they would then put their profit on it. Before, NS (the middle man) was not around, so theoretically the price to the customer would be lower.
Perhaps, I won't profess to know any of this for a certainty, but this is what I had gathered from the forums. Norinco might be the exception. But an importer is a distributor. If they import it, they choose what stores they sell to.
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