Magazine legality
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With regards to the original post all this back and forth is pointless since it sounds like he wants to legally use a magazine that holds more 223 than a pistol magazine which can not be done anymore without risking legal repercussions.
If you actually own a 458, 450, 50 whatever and you have a magazine that holds five of those rounds you need to make sure it will not function with 223 or they could drag you through the ringer for possession of a prohibited device. They may still try but at least you could argue that it isn't a 223 AR-15 magazine.
I would hope that eventually you would be found innocent since it isn't actually law yet but that is for each person risking charges to decide if it's worth it just to waste ammo faster.
If you want to run 30 round mags take a vacation in the US and go to one of their rental ranges where you can do it without risk. 30's are great but I sure go through a lot more ammo when I get a chance to play with them.
Maybe what we should be fighting for is to have it made legal to use 30 round mags at the gun range only just like a restricted rifle, that way at least the guys doing 3-gun and other competitive shooting sports can stop trying to use coupled pistol mags. Make them a restricted device instead of a prohibited device.
Makes sense to me anyway, baby steps
If you actually own a 458, 450, 50 whatever and you have a magazine that holds five of those rounds you need to make sure it will not function with 223 or they could drag you through the ringer for possession of a prohibited device. They may still try but at least you could argue that it isn't a 223 AR-15 magazine.
I would hope that eventually you would be found innocent since it isn't actually law yet but that is for each person risking charges to decide if it's worth it just to waste ammo faster.
If you want to run 30 round mags take a vacation in the US and go to one of their rental ranges where you can do it without risk. 30's are great but I sure go through a lot more ammo when I get a chance to play with them.
Maybe what we should be fighting for is to have it made legal to use 30 round mags at the gun range only just like a restricted rifle, that way at least the guys doing 3-gun and other competitive shooting sports can stop trying to use coupled pistol mags. Make them a restricted device instead of a prohibited device.
Makes sense to me anyway, baby steps
I previously posted what the issue is
Not sure how it can be any more clear.
Back when the RCMP SFSS first took on the beowulf issue, their first letter/email also mentioned the 458 as it is unchanged from the original 223/556 design and therefore prohibited in their opinion if it can hold more than 5 rounds of 223/556
This was a correspondence between Armtac (Alexander arms distributor at the time) and the RCMP SFSS at the time.
FYI my beowulf has its mags pinned to 2 rounds as per the FRT legal comments. I would rather not make myself a wiling participant in criminal charges at my cost
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can't even be able to hold more than 5, function is not relevant in the SFSS determinationWith regards to the original post all this back and forth is pointless since it sounds like he wants to legally use a magazine that holds more 223 than a pistol magazine which can not be done anymore without risking legal repercussions.
If you actually own a 458, 450, 50 whatever and you have a magazine that holds five of those rounds you need to make sure it will not function with 223 or they could drag you through the ringer for possession of a prohibited device.
Funny how when these cartridges come to market the US advertising uses the fact that it uses standard unmodified 223 magazines and it's a huge selling feature for them but up here because of our stupid laws it works against us.
My opinion on it is to just be happy we have what we have. Pushing the limits and looking for loopholes just forces them to close those holes and push back. If we keep pushing we could easily see changes here like what other places have where they've prohibited detachable magazines or made semi auto prohibited meaning all semi's need to be converted to single shot or destroyed.
When the Beowulf mags came to the market, I think that if people were smart with them we'd still be free to use them. If they were used at the range during 3-gun events and on private land away from civilization we'd still be using them but because people have the attitude that since they're legal they're going to use them everywhere. Doing 15 round mag dumps five minutes from town at the local gravel pit or at the range when the only people around are the old farts with their wood stocks who are mostly there for the chit chat you're sure to get some complaints which forces the RCMP to react. We did it to ourselves.
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Has anyone bought off this website? Are the 458 mags reliable? I dunno what the heck to think of this.
actually greed of a few did us in.
Companies started manufacturing magazines labeled 50 beowulf that would not feed or function in a Beowulf rifle. Then it even went a step further when someone started importing C products 223 magazines labeled as 50 Beowulf with the 223/556 identifier on the follower ground off. When I called Cproducts about the magazines they denied to have ever sold any as Alexander arms holds a patent on it and there never was a 50 beowulf magazine ever listed on C products own website. I think only one shipment made it in and then a large one was seized by CBSA. Since then we have only seen "Grey market beowulf mags being sold.
However recently, Northern republic magazine has been bringing them in legally from Alexander arms pinned to two rounds
The funniest thing was when they were in their peak the Beo mags were selling for $150 each. I simply laughed at people spending that much for a $20 magazine with a stamp on it.
If we could have funneled all that money people spent on the magazines into a lawyer and fought our stupid laws we could have won a real victory instead of a short term cheat around the rules.
If they are anything like the PCV Canadian made magazines for the 50 beowulf, they will not feed/function reliably unless you intend to stuff it with 223/556.
Their wording in the description pretty much gives it away that using the mags with 223/556 was their intention. Genuinely surprised someone is still willing to take such a risk to manufacture something like this
blaxsun
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Rumour has it the upcoming Liberal gun bill is going to:
* Prohibit all high capacity magazines over 10 rounds (riveted or not)
* Close the 'loophole' for 10-round pistol magazines
Due to the large number of high capacity magazines they'll probably grandfather anything pinned to 5 rounds, but you'll almost certainly have to re-pin any LAR, XCR (etc.) 10-round pistol magazines to 5 rounds and there will be a snowball's chance of importing any PMAG, Lancer (etc.) magazine in the future (with the possible exception of 10-round PMAGs).
Let the games begin...
* Prohibit all high capacity magazines over 10 rounds (riveted or not)
* Close the 'loophole' for 10-round pistol magazines
Due to the large number of high capacity magazines they'll probably grandfather anything pinned to 5 rounds, but you'll almost certainly have to re-pin any LAR, XCR (etc.) 10-round pistol magazines to 5 rounds and there will be a snowball's chance of importing any PMAG, Lancer (etc.) magazine in the future (with the possible exception of 10-round PMAGs).
Let the games begin...
Good thing I have more 5/30 STANAG pattern magazines than I can count
I really don't understand how they think any of their brilliant ideas make anyone safer.
They must be a little slow. yup, makes perfect sense, make more laws, that will stop criminals from breaking laws.
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Where are the cheapest steel ar15 mags in Canada? Off topic but I don't wanna start another thread.
If these 458 mags are legit, I'm surprised there isn't more info about them on the net. Maybe people are just quiet so fellow Claybusters don't get the RC's to put up another bulletin.
If these 458 mags are legit, I'm surprised there isn't more info about them on the net. Maybe people are just quiet so fellow Claybusters don't get the RC's to put up another bulletin.
blaxsun
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Probably not. Don't forget that the Conservatives implemented the first magazine restrictions, so if they make any changes chances are they'll be here for the rest of our natural lives. After the round of hurricanes and subsequent looting/gangs/vandalism this year - I'll pass on the Caribbean (glad I visited when I did, but the place is still a third world #### hole masquerading as the first world).
Just wait until the details of the new bill are released. Then we'll see prices skyrocket and inventory all but vanish. Why? Liberals are borderline braindead (at least brainwashed). All they need to do is say "Remember Las Vegas and Polytechnique" and they'll get a rubber stamp of endorsement from the masses...Good thing I have more 5/30 STANAG pattern magazines than I can count
I really don't understand how they think any of their brilliant ideas make anyone safer.
They must be a little slow. yup, makes perfect sense, make more laws, that will stop criminals from breaking laws.
