M14 vs Garand

The M-14 is used to put shots on target. The M-1 is used to put hair on your chest.

Kidding aside, it is one of the best balanced rifles I have ever shot, for me it hangs and shoots in a way no other gun can replicate. The balance of the M-14 doesn't work for me.

Legitimately, the M1 is one of the few rifles I would grab if I had to run.
 
The M-14 is used to put shots on target. The M-1 is used to put hair on your chest.

Kidding aside, it is one of the best balanced rifles I have ever shot, for me it hangs and shoots in a way no other gun can replicate. The balance of the M-14 doesn't work for me.

Legitimately, the M1 is one of the few rifles I would grab if I had to run.

The balance, is that compared to the full sized M14, or one of the shorties?
 
The M14 was intended to be an evolutionary improvement on the M1 Garand so it should be a better overall infantry rifle. The 20 rd detachable magazine was the biggest improvement. The Garand does have a bit more bedding area to play with which is a plus for it. There really wasn't that much of a reduction in weight with the M14. Our FNs weighed a tad more than both, but you got used to it after carrying it for a while in the field.

The US Army put a huge amount of money and time into the M14. Perhaps a Garand with a 20 rd box mag would have done the job as well. After all the M1 did prove itself as a battle rifle in WW2 and Korea.
 
I had my 30-06 Garand out today. I wouldn’t be parted from it anytime soon. Wasn’t cheap, ammo isnt that bad. You can get ppu or ae Garand stuff for 30 bucks a box on sale.

Yes it’s not super cheap to purchase or run but I have not had issue with mine. I got an adjustable gas plug to use commercial ammo in it but never installed it cause the ae and ppu isn’t much more expensive.

It’s a piece of history and will only increase in value.

It’s a lot of fun to unleash 8 rounds of 30-06 in a few seconds.

“The greatest battle implement ever devised by man” or something ? According to Patton I believe.
 
Vietnam fetishism aside, there is nothing the M-14 can do that the M1 cannot. Unlike a real M-14 (which are all prohibited) you can still find an M-1 in original calibers of 30-06 or 7.62. With the M-14, you are generally limited to Norinco M305s (which offer good value for money, but can leave you wanting for quality) or commercial variations of the M-14 which are mostly overpriced.

The M1 is in its original brilliant state and the M-14 is the bastard child that should have been still born; owing its’ life to stubborn American pride when they should have adopted the FAL.

M1 = a simple internal magazine with enblocks that can be easily topped up (if you possess the know how), carry 8 or less rounds (if you hunt and are limited to rounds in the rifle), and does this in a fairly sleek design.

M-14 = limitations to either bulky 5/20 round mags that are clunky in the bush or 5/5 mags that suck getting out of the gun with mag changes. Or you can surpass the 8 round internal mag of the M1 by using enfield AIA mags that friction fit into the mag well for two whole added rounds (whoopty do).

M1 = a brilliant internal magazine and gas system that were designed in conjunction with one another.
M-14 = red headed step child that it’s creators smashed together borrowing heavily off the M1 because its designers were too lazy and or stupid to compete with or adopt the FAL.

M1 = chambered in 30-06 or 7.62, and can run on a variety of bullet weights with the right powder. Still, after close to 70 years since its intro, ammo is still being produced for it in commercial form.
M-14 = poor little girl was chambered in 7.62 when all she wanted was 5.56.

M1 = A true military surplus rifle who’s value has steadily climbed much like the rest of the military surplus market. Value will likely to be retained now and into the future. You can invest with a good chance that value will increase.
M-14 = your prohibited H&R will continue to sit in your safe until either you cut it up into a ‘#### n’ click’ or your loved ones send it in to be melted down for hubcaps. If you own a rediculously overpriced commercial version, you can take it out of the safe now again and rub it down with a diaper or shoot it, but if you shoot it, know that you’ll be bumping your EE ad forever if you ever decide to sell it for any amount of money you originally paid for it. If you go with a Norinco, happy days! Shoot it until it’s bolt decides to separate which could be sooner rather than later.

The M-14 is a great rifle, don’t get me wrong, but I luv the M-1...
Ahh, who am I kidding.

I own both and love both.
There are enough differences between them that there is good reason to own both.
If you are stuck on only owning one, or make excuses to draw disparity between them I feel genuinely sorry for you.

You could always rebuild that prohibit on a Norinco receiver or if your a high roller buy an LRB receiver from wolverine.
 
Where do I find information on using AIA magazines in an M1 Garand ?

Thanks in advance.

" M-14 = limitations to either bulky 5/20 round mags that are clunky in the bush or 5/5 mags that suck getting out of the gun with mag changes. Or you can surpass the 8 round internal mag of the M1 by using enfield AIA mags that friction fit into the mag well for two whole added rounds (whoopty do). "
 
Where do I find information on using AIA magazines in an M1 Garand ?

Thanks in advance.

" M-14 = limitations to either bulky 5/20 round mags that are clunky in the bush or 5/5 mags that suck getting out of the gun with mag changes. Or you can surpass the 8 round internal mag of the M1 by using enfield AIA mags that friction fit into the mag well for two whole added rounds (whoopty do). "

The Garand En Bloc system is retarded. I'm sorry. There I said it. I'm not a fan boy of either design here either I have no vested interest lol It's just goofy. That's why it was never used again anywhere in any design that mattered half a shred. Take a step back and think about it for a second.
Anyhow as for using an AIA mag in a 7.62mm NATO Garand I can't speak to that as I have no experience with a 7.62 NATO Garand but my Norc M14 runs a 10 round detachable AIA magazine perfect "friction fit" or not. I can top it up with stripper clips or single rounds from the top without even removing the mag very quick or I can just take the mag off and put a fresh one on very fast.
It's not just 5/20 mags or 5/5 mags There's also 10 round mags that actually hold 10 rounds like the AIA ;)
 
The Garand has to be judged in its historical context, not by the standards of almost 90 years later. By the existing standards the rifle was a revolutionary step forward and it put the US infantryman miles ahead of the opposition until semi-auto rifles came into general use in the 1950s. We only abandoned the bolt action rifle when we adopted the FN in the late 1950s.:eek: Traditions die hard though. I remember troops being detailed for a Quarter Guard in the mid 1960s asking if they could use Lee-Enfields because they weren't familiar with the arms drill for the FN.:sok2

The biggest complaints about the Garand from extensive WW2 and Korean War experience centered on the magazine system and the weight of the rifle and ammo which was something that the M14 was intended to fix. Reliability and accuracy were never an issue. Garands were being manufactured into the mid 1950s to compensate for the delays in introducing the M14.

People who would like to use a detachable box magazine in a Garand would either need to modify the rifle extensively, which is well beyond the capability of the average bear, or obtain a BM59 type rifle which was built on a Garand receiver modified to accept a 20 rd box mag for 7.62mm ammo. It would be much simpler to go with a Norinco M14 clone for this. Folks who want to shoot a 7.62 Garand can either have a 7.62 barrel installed or procure a Garand which is built using the unique Italian Tipo 2 components. Caveat: do not buy one of the 7.62 Garands which were being sold by a well known Cdn MILSURP vendor as bona-fide T2 rifles a few years ago.
 
Where do I find information on using AIA magazines in an M1 Garand ?


The M1 is fed with an 8 round internal magazine of which the enbloc is integral.
AIA made a copy of the Enfield No. 4 Mk 1 in 7.62x51/.308 win. They used a near-on copy of M-14 mags in a 10 round capacity to feed them.
Those ‘AIA’ mags ‘fit’ (sort of) M-14s and M-305s, not M1 Garands.

The M1’s Enbloc is a product of firearms design and more importantly, military doctrine of the time.
Several other designs of the time such as the AG-42, G-43, Tokerov, FN-49 and SKS share similar design convention with 10round box magazines that were not designed to be separated from the rifle, and be fed instead by stripper clips.

Love it or hate it, the US military’s service with the M1 during the Second World War was the precursor to wide scale adoption of semi automatic firearms in front line armies. It ushered in the use of automatics, and there was no other semi auto used that was more successful or prolific in that conflict. The fact that it soldiered on in Korea almost a decade after WW2 and after designs like the STG 44 and AK-47 had made their debut spoke to its usefulness in the hands of skilled men...perhaps a place it only belongs.
 
Get both I'm hard pressed to pick my fav. I always take both out with me. I have around 700/800 rounds though my 308 garand never had an issue. It's perfoumce with cheap Norc ammo was also quite surprising.
 
They were both great rifles in their time and place all things considered.
But we're getting confused here again. We're debating merits on a battlefield as a soldier carrying these things instead of merits in the hands of your average joe casual hobby shooter in Canada like the OP is inquiring right?
If I was a USGI and the DoD was handing me infinite amounts of tailor made .30 Cal M2 ball ammo and a free Garand to shoot I'd be all over having one in my locker next to my M305.
But that's a loooong way away from buying one on the civilian market in 2017 in Canada and feeding it out of your pocket when you feel like some target shooting.
I'm also a cheap pragmatic bastard though.
And for that primary reason alone, Travis Bickle rocks an M305! :rockOn:
 
If I decide to go with either I'd probably go with a "build", and am considering reloading, assuming I've got the space for it after I move across the country next spring.
 
I'm also a cheap pragmatic bastard though.
And for that primary reason alone, Travis Bickle rocks an M305! :rockOn:

I’m with you there. The M-305 offers great value for the cash.

I'd suggest handloading for both the M1 and the M14 as this brings out the best in both of them. IMR 4064 or IMR 4895 with bullets in the 150-168 gr range and its all good.

Agreed.
 
Again, thanks for the great answers all.

Is there any special disadvantage with the 18.5" barrel in the M14 vs a longer barrel?
 
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