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midnightpossum
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Tough to tell from the receivers, they all could be from the same country. I see small differences, but couldn't tell you who did what and where.
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Don't you have russians? Compare
leebuilder
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- Nova Scotia
All russians.
As if the metal would be 'bad'?
#1 I dont think the small quantity of tooling sent to china would be responsible for the entire production line/lines, especially in 1964 with Jianshe /26\s enormous capacity. Its easy to forget that the chinese INVENTED the gun AND black powder. The Chinese were making firearms a looooooooong time prior to the SKS. In other words... It would be ridiculous to think China relied solely on Russian machinery to produce the T56. In fact, as time went on, they further developed new ways of doing things as evident by a later completely dif receiver, cast parts, pinned barrels etc.
#2 Although the theory of Romania possibly being sent the same aid in production startup, I have never seen any evidence. Please share if you know something I do not.
The barreled actions shown in the pics above are identical in every form and fashion to a Russian minus the inspection stamps.
As if the metal would be 'bad'?
#1 I dont think the small quantity of tooling sent to china would be responsible for the entire production line/lines, especially in 1964 with Jianshe /26\s enormous capacity. Its easy to forget that the chinese INVENTED the gun AND black powder. The Chinese were making firearms a looooooooong time prior to the SKS. In other words... It would be ridiculous to think China relied solely on Russian machinery to produce the T56. In fact, as time went on, they further developed new ways of doing things as evident by a later completely dif receiver, cast parts, pinned barrels etc.
#2 Although the theory of Romania possibly being sent the same aid in production startup, I have never seen any evidence. Please share if you know something I do not.
The barreled actions shown in the pics above are identical in every form and fashion to a Russian minus the inspection stamps.
It's not opinion that Russia helped set up the Jianshe production line, it's fact. Soviet workers sere sent to the factory along with truckloads of completed parts. The Sino-Soviet SKS represented Soviet workers training Chinese workers on gauging and assembly while the production line was set up to build rifles from scratch. Kruschev cancelled all military aid to the PRC in September 1958 as part of the SIno-Soviet Split. He feared the US might retaliate with Nuclear WEapons after China invaded the Taiwanese island of Kinmen. After that, Chinese SKS production began to slowly differ from the Russian pattern. But Russia was on the ground tooling up the Chinese for a full 2 years and change from early 1956 to September 1958.
Like anything, once you teach the Chinese to build something, they are very industrious at cranking out decent copies.
I have no idea about the Romanian SKS, but it would stand to reason they had Soviet assistance in some form, at the minimum they would have had toleranced drawings and a technical assistance agreement of some sort.
While it's possible Romania reverse engineered the SKS, it's highly unlikely given the geopolitics of the day. They were in the Soviet sphere of influance and under full Russian occupation until August 1958, while SKS manufacture started in 1957 when the Soviets were effectively running the country.
When you hear hoofprints, think horses, not zebras.
I meant "truckloads" as a way of conveying quantity - not the literal conveyance method. I have no idea if it was trucks or trains. And I didn't say you said differently, my statements stand on their own, they weren't meant to disparage anything you said.
Umm... maybe because Romania was effectively a Russian province undergoing a brutal occupation for fighting with Hitler when these were made, and it was therefore made as a russian SKS?
