10/30 AR mags
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Also the mag is called 10/30. It mean it was converted from a 30 rounder, hence not designed for a pistol. Also if you google this mag, furst link whihc pops up is " how to covert this to 30 rounds".
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Just who in your opinion are you referring to as a hungry dog, and not a reasonable person capable determining right from wrong, good from bad, and capable of refraining from behaviours that are illegal or detrimental to themselves?
Here is what the law says:
Prohibited device
The original design of the magazine is only one relevant factor, but that design is typically concerned with what AMMO that mag is designed for. A given magazine can be based on a design intended for one purpose, but manufactured for a different purpose, even with the same design, and still be legal.
If the firearm is a handgun, and the magazine design was designed for .223/5.56, and I am manufacturing a magazine for THAT HANDGUN, the magazine is legal if the capacity is not more than 10 rounds. It does not matter if the magazine was designed/manufactured as a 30 round mag and additional manufacturing steps were added to pin it to 10, because the law expressly provides for pinned magazines.
However, if the magazine is designed for .223, and I am manufacturing it for 50 beowolf, then it is still regulated based on its ability to hold .223. The either/or design/manufacture for capacity is not equally applied to ammunition type. You can see this clearly because "design" appears twice, but "manufacturered" only appears once.
This is problematic for a variety of ways that the RCMP have not formed opinions on yet. Sig Sauer makes magazines for the 226. It is the same magazine body for 9 mm as it is for 40 cal. Some of them will be turned into 9mm and stamped and pinned accordingly, others will be diverted to the 40 cal production line. Once finished, the mags will have different followers, different witness holes, different markings etc. What is the magazine designed for? or does the design not describe just the body, but the completed magazine as a whole?
If the design actually describes the complete design, then any change to the design, including addition manufacturing steps, constitutes a NEW design. The law is silent on new designs based on old designs. As long as you are a licensed manufacturer, it doesn't matter if your build starts with a solid plate of aluminum, or a magazine that you are re-manufacturing/re-designing to be something else.
You have a design, which includes an intended calibre, and you are manufacturing for a purpose. If that purpose is use in a handgun, than capacity is limited to not more than 10 rounds. Its really quite simple.
This is faulty logic. A magazine can be a 30 round magazine designed for a pistol in a jurisdiction where its legal, and then pinned for the Canadian market. Or it can be a hundred round. Pistol magazine designed and manufactured right here in Canada, and then pinned as per the regulations.
Nothing about capacity speaks to intended use. They are separate issues. Asides from asking the manufacturer why they made it, you can infer intent from the writing on the magazine. 5.56mm/Pistol stamped in a mag by the manufacturer speaks volumes about the intended calibre and firearm it was manufactured for.
The RCMP love to play fast and loose with their legal interpreations and opinions, but that doesn't mean we need to agree with them on what the law clearly says, or that we should adopt their preferred way of thinking which is that things are illegal by default until the RCMP say so.
The pistol HAS to be "commonly available in Canada". This means the magazine design, based on our laws, cannot just be carte blanche a "pistol mag"... it has to be a "Glock .40 pistol mag", or in this case... a "LAR15 pistol mag". That is why the RCMP stated so clearly in their bulletin approving the C-Products 10 round LAR 15 magazines we have all loved for 10 years now, the writing that must be seen on it.
That is also why so many of our .22lr rifle magazines are being limited to 10....
This magazine clearly is an AR15 rifle magazine with a 10 round stopper. The website itself shows the packaging saying so (I'll post the pics at the bottom in a minute). That stopper, btw, does matter because it is not done as per the law.
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That is also why so many of our .22lr rifle magazines are being limited to 10....
This magazine clearly is an AR15 rifle magazine with a 10 round stopper. The website itself shows the packaging saying so (I'll post the pics at the bottom in a minute). That stopper, btw, does matter because it is not done as per the law.
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Looks like they're sold out
Yeah they sold out long ago and never came back in stock. I started a thread about it years ago and it basically devolved into this thread, people arguing legality without a real answer. Although the asc ones by the look of it seem more legal as they are not only labeled but the body is crimped
No wonder we are losing the battle against the antis. You guys rather spend time on crap like this instead of putting time and effort towards making our hobby better.
This thread should be deleted all it does is show the antis how devided we are and how quick some of you will trow fellow enthusiasts under the bus.
This thread should be deleted all it does is show the antis how devided we are and how quick some of you will trow fellow enthusiasts under the bus.
how do wwe suppose we do that? I gave a $400 cons last elections. Harper blew it on the burqa and lost the elections.
Should I go buy this mag? I really want to. I am the proverbial dog sitting infront of the juicy steak. But is it worth risking my life, family, fincnail future and freedom?
Cameron SS
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A 10 round Beowolf Pistol mag holds 28 rds of 5.56.... Consider me tickled.
With all due respect Dilli, what would you have us do?
Should I voice my concerns regarding a potentially illegal device circulating through our community and attempt to gain some clarification on said legality? Even if those who would love to have these (myself included) will scoff at me because some of us only posses to foresight of "ME, ME, ME" without care to the potential outcome? Without care of what harm it may cause our community members?
Or
Should I just bury my concerns, spend my money and go on my merry bloody way, waiting for the day (and we all know it'll come) when the RCMP change their minds yet again, and the next big headline on CBC, Global & CTV reads "THOUSANDS OF ILLEGAL MAGAZINES SIEZED FROM GUN OWNERS, CHARGES LAID", further darkening the outlook the masses have on us already? Just another glorious portrayal of gun owners in this country and just another way to get the citizens of this nation to rally against us when the push for even more gun control comes flowing out of the swamp.
Nobody is being thrown under the bus. If I wanted to throw folks under the bus I'd pull a (certain Canadian gun shop responsible for the Swiss arms mess) and bring this to the attention of the CFP directly and have them look into it which would (in my opinion) undoubtedly result in a swift and firm PROHIBITED DEVICE from our boys in red.
I'm simply asking my community members:
SHOW ME THE PROOF!
Don't quote your interpretation of the law, don't give me a story about how "LAR15 this", I want the cold hard facts about what makes this any different than a 30 round Hexmag. Simply that, and not for my own personal gain either. I really don't want this to be the catalyst to push more legislation, one that holds the potential to #### a lot of good people.
If that is me throwing you under the bus, if that's me giving this community a bad name, if you think I'm here just making waves, then it's pretty clear to me what the real issue is.
Further more, what seems rather concerning to me is how Hexmag themselves have stopped corresponding with me via email when I asked them to explain how the manufacturing process is any different than their 10 round cali compliant rifle magazine.
Cameron SS
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You honestly expected a competitive for profit private enterprise to give a random stranger on the internet in depth description of manufacturing processes with regards to legal compliance? Absolutely nothing good for them would come of disclosing that information. Nothing.
In this world, no not really, because who does the right thing anymore. Who cares who gets screwed as long as I make my profit margins.
Although a simple, no they are not manufactured the same would have been sufficient to change my perspective on this.
I feel it proves my point none the less though.
Recessions bring out the worst in people.
