10/30 AR mags
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I agree. Worst case scenario I glue the baseplate. No more permanent then a rivet in a butler Creek which was advised by the RCMP. Pretty strong argument if the RCMP is advising folks that a rivet is a permanent fix...seems to me a plug with a short spring is just as permanent.
It still doesn't change the fact it is still a rifle magazine and not an originally manufactured pistol magazine. Not to mention, if you remove the riser, and the spring, and replace it with a standard length spring you now have a 30 round magazine. There is nothing permanent about the limiter/shortened spring combination.
The hex mag comes from the factory with "pistol carbine magazine" clearly written on it from the moulding process. As it is formed into the plastic using a dedicated mould during the manufacturing process, it is a pistol mag as far as I am concerned.
That's not fact, that's your opinion. They are factory stamped as being pistol carbine magazines. The government allowed them to be imported as such. So what evidence do you possess that refutes these actual facts?
Yes, and you would be guilty of manufacturing a prohibited device. Which has nothing to do with how the product is designed or being sold. You can take any 5/30 magazine that the government allows to be sold in Canada and alter it to make it a full capacity magazine. The only condition is that it cannot be done easily. Your fantasy of redesigning the internals of the magazine would seem to be no different than removing a pin on a 5/30 since, once again, the government has allowed both to be imported into the country.
There is nothing in the law that states anything has to be permanent other than the use of a "permanent adhesive substance" in section five in relation to magazines classified under section four. Which doesn't apply given these magazines are not an alteration nor a re-manufacturing. They are designated as being manufactured for pistol carbines to hold 10 rounds of .223 & 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition. That places them in section 1(b).
If the government wants to change the law they can do so but it's funny you guys keep arguing about the legality of something the government is allowing to be imported.
For which pistol though?
Lar15 magazines are the only ones we can use in an AR15 rifle. The RCMP were very clear with the wording that needed to be on the magazine when they approved the Lar15 in 2008.
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It is a 30 round magazine design that has been altered to hold 10 rounds instead of 30 by inserting a plug. Simple as that. It requires adhesive to make it permanent... the law is clear.
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Then how were AT15 mags approved as well and distributed by ATRS??
Because they made the AT15 Pistol and specifically designed AT15 magazines, clearly marked as such, for the pistol. They also designed the floorplate to not be removable without tools... ive never held one but Id imagine they followed the law in that regard, clearly.
I want to KEEP what I currently have. Call me a sheep all you want but nothing I do will cause further fodder to those who wish to destroy us.
You're missing the point. Explain to me, why every single magazine available to the Canadian public that is sold as an "sr15 pistol magazine" has had a different design in terms of size? Why are the LAR15 mags that exact size? Why we're the ATRS a straight magazine? Because they're manufactured DIFFERENTLY than a standard 30 round AR15 magazine. Simply taking your 30 round Hexmag and changing the mold stamp to say PCC does not constitute a purposely designed as a pistol magazine. It's, as far as I or anyone else can tell until Hexmag responds to my emails, a repurposed 30 round rifle magazine. Trust me when I say, I would LOVE this to be a legitimate magazine, but this looks like a great way to wind up with either prohibited device charges, or being a couple hundred bucks in the hole for something you can't legally posses. But again, to each their own.
Now, let me explain the difference regarding "unpinning them".
Standard USGI rifle magazine: nobody I've ever met, could tear out a metal river with their fingers. You're going to need and drill, a file, or some kind of tool to physicially remove the rivet.
Hexmag PCC mag. Remove floor plate, remove riser, remove spring, insert new spring, replace riser.
If that doesn't clarify "ease" then I don't know how to help you.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing clarifying that these are NOT a 30 round Hexmag, with a rebranded logo, and an illegal "non permanent riser system" limiting these mags to 10. Again, I would love these to be available for legal consumption, but I feel that it's the importers or retailers responsibility to prove to us as consumers that these are in fact legal magazines.
It's shady business, they're profiting off of us on a potentially prohibited device, and I'm willing to wager they will not be supporting anyone whose charged for having these, nor will they be offering sweeping refunds in that event.
You put a juicy steak in front of a dog, he's going to eat it regardless if it's poisoned or not. That's how I feel about this situation and I'll continue to pursue a response from Hexmag directly and will report back once I do (if I do).
Until then, I'm done arguing skewed opinions on your favorite ice cream.
Because we're the ones who don't want to see our fellow community members swarm over a potentially (or probably) illegal magazine. I don't want the RCMP to have any more reason to come a knocking, and confiscating property more than they already have.
Essentially, we're the ones doing the f**king leg work to ensure you don't get caught with your d!ck in the wind, facing 6 counts of possession of a prohibited device. The importer has done NOTHING to ensure these are within the legal guidelines of what a pistol magazine is considered in this country.
So no, we're not #####ing about it, we're working on it.
