Enfield Sniper value?

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So I got hold of an Enfield Sniper and am looking for some educated guesstimates on value. I have taken pics of every marking on the rifle and the scope and anything anyone can tell me about it would be appreciated. I'll post a link to a shared Google album and will try to post individual pics shortly. I'm not a #milsurp guy hence the questions. Thanks all

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Bit of a volatile market but I'd say, without transit chest and scope tin box, they do seem to sell fast lately... maybe 4 to 6 k range? My humble guess, but by no means am I a No4Mk1(T) expert
 
Hard to see in the one picture, but the top of the butt stock where it goes into the butt socket....is there a number stamped in there? It looks to me as if there is not but I lost any sort of clarity when enlarging the picture.
Looks as if there is no "T" stamped in the left receiver wall just forward of the ejector screw....or is it hidden under the finish?
Is there a "S" stamped on the magazine cut-off block on the right side of the receiver?
All important info when evaluating a Enfield sniper....of coarse there are anomalies but these things I mentioned should be present.
 
Thanks for the info guys. I'll have a look and post some more pics tomorrow bros.

Does anyone happen to know anyone here in BC who might be familiar with the M47C? I'd like to get this rifle properly assessed and professionally gone over prior to putting her up for sale.
 
PM seaforth72 he is in B.C and is a collector of No.4 T's. Your first No.1 is marked GRI which is the Ishapore Factory. The second one is BSA.
 
Linked in with Seaforth (Thanks guys) and he pointed me to a Van Island group who I have e-mailed. Hope to get someone to look at it soon. However, I think this may be a put together rifle. All the numbers match and it does have the TR on the wrist band and the S51 stamp on the underside of the buttstock. It doesn't have the "T" on the left side of the receiver though....and the knobs on the scope mount seem to be Canadian (according to the indent in their center).

Minimally at the end of the day it's a lovely M47C (TR) with all matching numbers, an amazingly clean and sharp bore, the proper mounting points and system and a correct no32 scope.
 
Like I said there are anomalies.....I have a BSA 1944 T.....all correct with the exception of the T as well. Don't forget it was wartime, if one particular stamp is missing does that make it a completely incorrect rifle......I don't think so!! My opinion anyhow.
 
Value is about $3,000-4,000 but it varies a lot. They are a classic rifle and one that many collectors can only dream of owning someday. Variables when comparing sales prices include: Maker, version, year, condition, completeness, model of scope, matching numbers and above all, desire of a buyer who has the money. Best selling times may be Spring and Fall. Christmas gifts and summer vacations for family tend to claim priority in spending . . . or divorce settlements can kick in!

Most valuable component is the scope and bracket. If someday you chose to separate the scope/bracket from the rifle, do not feel badly about it. The rifle never had a scope fitted to it in service is my OPINION. There are many people with ex-sniper rifles needing scope sets. Hopefully rifle 36315 will turn up someday to be reunited.

RIFLE
Rifle appears to be one of the incomplete sniper conversions, known as a No. 4 Mk. I (T. LESS TELESCOPE). There is no "T" on the left sidewall and no scope serial number on the butt.
Bolt appears to match the rifle. Last three digits are clear "571". Conversion was done by Holland and Holland ("S51" was their wartime code.)
Backsight is a Mark I modified, made by Singer ("SM").
"TR" = Rifle selected for conversion to Telescopic Rifle.
Fore-end is serial numbered to the rifle so it has not been changed.

SCOPE & BRACKET
Model No. 32 MK. III.
Made in UK. Scope made by CTS. No year, likely 1944-1945.
Scope SN 21472
Red "W" is for waterproofed.
Blue "B" is for blooming (better light gathering e.g. at dawn and dusk)
Optical Store number for this model of scope is OS. 2039 A.
The scope and bracket came off of a No. 4 MK. I (T) serial number _36315 (there likely was a prefix letter that is not shown).
The bracket had previously been fitted to a different sniper rifle. That SN is cancelled out and is something like A35305. The scope clamp numbers are 74 and 75 (numbered to prevent mix-ups)
This model scope was introduced about October 1944.

Missing from set are:
- Scope caps, leather
- Scope Case No. 8 (Steel or canvas)
- Sling Model of 1917, American. Usually circa 1918 dated but some ended up with WWII U.S. slings in service. Some snipers used a Bren Gun web sling as it would not rot. See WWII photo of Sgt. Marshall of Calgary Highlanders. A standard Lee-Enfield web sling (same as Bren sling but shorter) will do in a pinch,
- Chest No. 15 Mk. I (not a big deal as this was really just used for shipping and for storage sometimes. It was not carried in the field.)

There is no sniper swivel in front of the magazine. These were added starting in late 1944 or early 1945 and not every sniper rifle or partially converted sniper rifle rifle was fitted with one. Easy to add or remove.

We do not know why but several thousand No. 4 rifles appear to have been PARTIALLY converted to sniper equipment. Most seem to have been made by Stevens-Savage in the USA but a few of these were British made. These rifles were worked on by Holland and Holland. Cheek rests were added. Scope pads were added. Backsight had the battle peepsight removed so as to clear a scope. Yours appears to be one of these.

Even though I believe it is a No.4 (T. LESS TELESCOPE) with an added scope and bracket from a No.4 Mk.I (T), it still looks and feels like a complete No.4 Mk.I (T). Something that can be enjoyed.

For more information on the No. 4 (T) sniper rifles, please seen my web site at: https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/lee-enfield-no-4-mk-i-t-sniper-rifle/
 
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Something that hasn't been said in this thread, but that was in a similar thread I posted (so I can't take credit for the idea). The scopes on these things are old, and so are the glues, varnishes, seals etc that hold them together, so if you plan on shooting it regularly (and I can't see why you wouldn't), you might want to consider picking up a repro scope to preserve the original.
 
RIFLE
Rifle appears to be one of the incomplete sniper conversions, known as a No. 4 Mk. I (T. LESS TELESCOPE). There is no "T" on the left sidewall and no scope serial number on the butt.
Bolt appears to match the rifle. Last three digits are clear "571". Conversion was done by Holland and Holland ("S51" was their wartime code.)
Backsight is a Mark I modified, made by Singer ("SM").
"TR" = Rifle selected for conversion to Telescopic Rifle.
Fore-end is serial numbered to the rifle so it has not been changed.
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Just to add. I have one of these "T" less snipers. 1944 BSA Shirley stamped TR on the wrist. However, my example was converted into a complete sniper postwar. My original bracket is stamped with the rifle's serial number and I have a Mk3 No. 32 scope. The scope number is not embossed on the top side of the butt wrist. A number of years ago I had the opportunity to meet and talk with Peter Laidler who explained the circumstances of my particular rifle. It has all the marks and details of a "T" except the "T" stamp. Although my rifle was selected for conversion, probably in 1944, it has a solid front sight block. The sniper specifications included having a split adjustable front sight block. The fact it was not 100% in spec meant that it was put aside at Holland & Holland and never converted before the war ended. Laidler speculated mine was probably turned into a sniper rifle by having a bracket and scope installed in the late 40's early 50's. At that time the standard was to stamp the rifle serial number on the bracket. Everything else left as it was. I thought maybe the stock was replaced and that is why there is no scope number stamped on it. But my butt stock is serial numbered to the rifle and is original and not changed.

Does your rifle have a solid front sight block? Peter Laidler has written extensively on these rifles but the "T" less snipers are not mentioned. I asked him about this and he did not really answer.
 
bang_on_sk said:
Something that hasn't been said in this thread, but that was in a similar thread I posted (so I can't take credit for the idea). The scopes on these things are old, and so are the glues, varnishes, seals etc that hold them together, so if you plan on shooting it regularly (and I can't see why you wouldn't), you might want to consider picking up a repro scope to preserve the original.
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Warning.....if you own one of these original No32 scopes and the turrets are hard to turn "don't" force them....irreparable damage can be done. There are still a few fellows that will work on these gems and free them up for you!!!
 
seaforth72 said:
Value is about $3,000-4,000 but it varies a lot. They are a classic rifle and one that many collectors can only dream of owning someday. Variables when comparing sales prices include: Maker, version, year, condition, completeness, model of scope, matching numbers and above all, desire of a buyer who has the money. Best selling times may be Spring and Fall. Christmas gifts and summer vacations for family tend to claim priority in spending . . . or divorce settlements can kick in!

Most valuable component is the scope and bracket. If someday you chose to separate the scope/bracket from the rifle, do not feel badly about it. The rifle never had a scope fitted to it in service is my OPINION. There are many people with ex-sniper rifles needing scope sets. Hopefully rifle 36315 will turn up someday to be reunited.

RIFLE
Rifle appears to be one of the incomplete sniper conversions, known as a No. 4 Mk. I (T. LESS TELESCOPE). There is no "T" on the left sidewall and no scope serial number on the butt.
Bolt appears to match the rifle. Last three digits are clear "571". Conversion was done by Holland and Holland ("S51" was their wartime code.)
Backsight is a Mark I modified, made by Singer ("SM").
"TR" = Rifle selected for conversion to Telescopic Rifle.
Fore-end is serial numbered to the rifle so it has not been changed.

SCOPE & BRACKET
Model No. 32 MK. III.
Made in UK. Scope made by CTS. No year, likely 1944-1945.
Scope SN 21472
Red "W" is for waterproofed.
Blue "B" is for blooming (better light gathering e.g. at dawn and dusk)
Optical Store number for this model of scope is OS. 2039 A.
The scope and bracket came off of a No. 4 MK. I (T) serial number _36315 (there likely was a prefix letter that is not shown).
The bracket had previously been fitted to a different sniper rifle. That SN is cancelled out and is something like A35305. The scope clamp numbers are 74 and 75 (numbered to prevent mix-ups)
This model scope was introduced about October 1944.

Missing from set are:
- Scope caps, leather
- Scope Case No. 8 (Steel or canvas)
- Sling Model of 1917, American. Usually circa 1918 dated but some ended up with WWII U.S. slings in service. Some snipers used a Bren Gun web sling as it would not rot. See WWII photo of Sgt. Marshall of Calgary Highlanders. A standard Lee-Enfield web sling (same as Bren sling but shorter) will do in a pinch,
- Chest No. 15 Mk. I (not a big deal as this was really just used for shipping and for storage sometimes. It was not carried in the field.)

There is no sniper swivel in front of the magazine. These were added starting in late 1944 or early 1945 and not every sniper rifle or partially converted sniper rifle rifle was fitted with one. Easy to add or remove.

We do not know why but several thousand No. 4 rifles appear to have been PARTIALLY converted to sniper equipment. Most seem to have been made by Stevens-Savage in the USA but a few of these were British made. These rifles were worked on by Holland and Holland. Cheek rests were added. Scope pads were added. Backsight had the battle peepsight removed so as to clear a scope. Yours appears to be one of these.

Even though I believe it is a No.4 (T. LESS TELESCOPE) with an added scope and bracket from a No.4 Mk.I (T), it still looks and feels like a complete No.4 Mk.I (T). Something that can be enjoyed.

For more information on the No. 4 (T) sniper rifles, please seen my web site at: https://captainstevens.com/military/weapons/snipers/lee-enfield-no-4-mk-i-t-sniper-rifle/
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Thanks Seaforth 72 for again taking your time and efforts!!!
 
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