Maccabee Defense SLR Non-Restricted Receiver Set [WAIT LIST]
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Yep and ultimately just like new TVs you can get in and enjoy it earlier for a premium or be like all the other plebes and wait until Walmart is carrying it at a reduced cost once the manufacturing costs are reduced, there is something to be said about being able to enjoy it now and having all that extra time rather than having to wait. Plus as someone who owns a Noveske upper (actually Vltor) talk about elevated pricing. It's nice but don't think it is worth the premium over something like Ranier. It was my first so sue me
It'll be emailed out within a day or two of the order. If you need it sooner feel free to contact us
Added to our list of takedown options, thanks [EDIT: this means we are considering bringing them in, we don't have any yet]
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There is a brass deflector but very subtle, if you look carefully in the photo you'll see it. The reason it's so small is that the upper receiver is already wider than an AR-15 upper so the deflector does not have to stick out so much.
The takedown system I'm told is based on a pillar and bolt type system that is intended to be more robust, repeatable, and rigid than an AR (no accu-wedges needed).
The takedown/upper swap process uses a hex key and takes about a minute. So yes it requires a 'tool' which is less than ideal, but the benefit is you have a much more skookum (robust) connection between the upper and lower.
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Some general notes:
The sharper eyed among you may have noticed there is no visible hammer/trigger pin holes. That is because the trigger group is held in a box that drops in. This concept was chosen for various reasons, among them it makes it makes it more difficult to convert to full auto, and makes trigger install & cleaning easier. This trigger pack will come included with the lower receiver and spares will be available for folks who want to be able to swap quickly.
Drop-in trigger packs such as the Triggertech are incompatible, however the receiver is ideally suited to your standard mil-spec triggers and upgrades such as Geissele that come as loose parts.
Some have asked for photos, they are limited at this time because Maccabee is still sorting out their intellectual property protections and don't want to spill beans that can't be spilled yet. As more photos and samples become available we will publish.
The sharper eyed among you may have noticed there is no visible hammer/trigger pin holes. That is because the trigger group is held in a box that drops in. This concept was chosen for various reasons, among them it makes it makes it more difficult to convert to full auto, and makes trigger install & cleaning easier. This trigger pack will come included with the lower receiver and spares will be available for folks who want to be able to swap quickly.
Drop-in trigger packs such as the Triggertech are incompatible, however the receiver is ideally suited to your standard mil-spec triggers and upgrades such as Geissele that come as loose parts.
Some have asked for photos, they are limited at this time because Maccabee is still sorting out their intellectual property protections and don't want to spill beans that can't be spilled yet. As more photos and samples become available we will publish.
Well if its such an easy thing, why don't you design a ar-like rifle? You could undercut these guys, sell for $600 and make millions...
As someone who comes from a hardware engineering background I am quite aware of startup costs and companies having to recoup their costs at initial introduction to the market. The AR world has been lucky in that the design entered public domain and measurements have been long known which then reduced R&D to practically nothing.
In this case the company has had to prototype and test their changes to ensure they have a safe product while dealing with the RCMP BS. Someone doing each of these is drawing salary and that costs both time and money, let alone any IP stuff they have had to deal with as well to protect their product. Lawyers aren't cheap.
The absurdity of these comments is like stating back in the day when the first plasma tvs came out that they should be the same price as a your typical 32" CRT not $20,000. The market will bear the price and adjust accordingly, maybe they won't sell as well and prices will drop or they will all sell out and the price will stay where it is. If you don't like the price, don't buy it and move on and stop polluting the thread. Whining about it isn't changing things. Companies need to make ends meet otherwise they don't make it, they aren't going to price themselves out of the market, that doesn't make sense. That said I would expect in the next year if successful, the price will probably drop
You are right in that initial buyers are going to be the guinea pigs, no matter how much testing deficiencies in the design may crop up or the company may find a better (cheaper) way to manufacture and the price might drop a bit from that. There is a premium on being on the bleeding edge, the benefit is that they will have an AR they can take off the range.
First thing the manufacturer should have been doing is patenting how they modified the design, re-engineering then becomes a tad more difficult as you then are infringing on their design.
Also regarding the states? They would probably sell quite well, there was a reason why the high tech sector was taking off in Canada in the 90s before the bubble burst down south. Our dollar was weaker so paying employees here meant that the overhead costs were cheaper which reflected in the prices in the states. That all said, it is a false equivalency since there is no requirement for an AR derivative that doesn't play nice with the AR15 in the US. If they had the silly laws like we do, then maybe they would sell well but since they don't it is all conjecture.
Ultimately the more choices that are available for the consumer the better. Companies that don't have competition become stagnant and are no longer motivated to innovate. What I want to see is if the price of AR receivers change, especially the billet ones since they are closer in price. If this product does well why would I buy a restricted AR receiver at near the same price when I can just spend a little more and get something that can go off the range.
Wasn't whining at all, it was more the fact that you directed this comment towards someone "If you are too poor to buy it move on.". Just a stab in the dark here, I'm guessing you don't know what his financial situation is. I'll bow out now and let you get last word with you millions of dollars.
I would definitely take one of these!
I see a lot of people complaining about price, and compare the price of the Maccbee receivers, which are billet, to low cost forged receivers. Compare to other billet receivers, and the price gets much closer. There is a reason that these low volume manufacturers like Maccabee and Alberta Tactical are producing billet receivers as opposed to forged.
A forging requires a large initial investment in tooling, but then you have the ability to mass produce parts relatively cheap on a per item basis.
Manufacturing from a billet has a lower initial investment for the manufacturer since the parts are produced on a one-off basis. The drawback of this approach is that it takes longer to produce a part, and is therefore more expensive on a per item basis.
When you see these low priced forged AR receivers that companies are selling, they are purchasing the forgings from one of the few companies that produces high volume of AR forgings, and then they just have to do a small amount of machining on the receivers to finish them. That's why we have $99 lowers from Aero etc.
Nobody is producing a raw forging for the Maccabee design, so to make that happen would be a huge cost/investment that isn't feasible for the volume of sales they will see in Canada.
A forging requires a large initial investment in tooling, but then you have the ability to mass produce parts relatively cheap on a per item basis.
Manufacturing from a billet has a lower initial investment for the manufacturer since the parts are produced on a one-off basis. The drawback of this approach is that it takes longer to produce a part, and is therefore more expensive on a per item basis.
When you see these low priced forged AR receivers that companies are selling, they are purchasing the forgings from one of the few companies that produces high volume of AR forgings, and then they just have to do a small amount of machining on the receivers to finish them. That's why we have $99 lowers from Aero etc.
Nobody is producing a raw forging for the Maccabee design, so to make that happen would be a huge cost/investment that isn't feasible for the volume of sales they will see in Canada.
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Just put in my deposit. I told my wife I'm about to go furniture shopping. She got all excited and then realized I was talking about gun stuff.
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