Pay attention out there.....

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This just happened yesterday to 2 guys i know - i will call them person 1 and person 2

P1 is very experienced and P2 is minimally experienced but has hunted a bit
they were hunting deer in the ONT MZ season
P1 has several MZ and loaded up one for himself and one for P2 both without primers

When they got to the hunting spot he told P2 his gun was ready to go, just add a primer and you are good.
I dont think P2 was paying attention.....

So P2 sees a coyote go by and decides to shoot at it....gun doesn't go off (lucky for him)

So at lunch he tells P1 that he loaded his gun with 2 pellets of 777 and a saboted 44 but gun didn't fire because he forgot to put primer in but has primer in now

P1 says "what do you mean you loaded it? I didnt hear you fire?"
P2 says "I loaded it up with 2 pellets and a sabot"

P1 says " lets take this thing apart" Sure enough, he wasn't listening and he put 2 pellets of 777 and a sabot on top of the 2 pellets and sabot already in there...

Lucky for him he forgot the primer or it would have been loud.

Obviously he doesn't know how to load a MZ and check with the ram rod etc.

Shows how fast accidents can happen. Be safe out there
 
That might have ended VERY badly if he touched it off with 4 pellets & 2 projectiles stuffed down the pipe... Yikes

Cheers
Jay
 
Wouldn't want to shoot it and see what happens........
But a sabot between the second charge of pellets I think may have been enough to keep them from ignition........but I would not like to test it.

Saw a guy get rattled pretty good one time shooting a charcoal burner.
Very heavy recoil.
And couldn't find his steel ram rod , so he went home .....lol !
 
I agree Rocco, i don't think the 2nd charge would have gone off either, but i am not testing it to find out.
There would have been a lot of pressure build up IMO trying to push 2 sabots down the pipe.

He was very lucky indeed. BUT HE SURELY needs more training on how MZ work
 
Person #2 has no business picking up a muzzleloader until he knows how to proficiently work his own gear. It would not have ended well as I have seen the results of a double ball(2 sabots on top of one 150gr charge in this case). The gun was in pieces, barrel bulged and the operator to my knowledge has never picked up a front stuffer again, it rattled him that bad.

When the pressure is on in a hunting situation even I have to pay close attention when reloading as I have found myself trying to reload, watch where the critter is headed around the smoke, and all the other nuances that occur and have found myself with a second reload in hand. Have seen more than a couple ramrods shot and in one instance through a deer. I have been hunting deer with a muzzleloader for over 25 years from side locks to inlines and I still have way more respect for the black burners than most guns.

If your head is not in the game with these guns you can lose said appendage in an instant
 
When I first got my kids into shooting, we would do dry runs all the time at home..."dry meaning no ammo" but following the proper actions always with safety in mind....proper training isn't just for kids...
 
I remember seeing a video quite a while ago of a guy doing this just see what would happen. He of course had the smokepole in a vise with string tied to the trigger, and hid behind a wall. I know he tried it more than once and the top charge wouldn't ignite. I'm sure though that it could and would as hunter148 has seen. I know I wouldn't be risking my health,rifle and especially life to try it though. I have lent mine out to buddy's before but they are all very safe with guns and every time I go over everything with them. I have used a red paint marker on my ramrod at the right spot so it's very easy to see, but I can see in the situation of hunting how bad things could happen pretty quick. I heard a story of a guy a few years ago who shot at a deer and gun went click. In the excitement of the situation he didn't check the primer but instead loaded another charge and sabot on top. Again click. Again loaded another. Now 3 powder charges with 3 sabots and click. I guess by this time the deer had disappeared. I'm not sure whether he hadn't put a primer in to start off with or it was a dud but it deffinatly could've ended very badly.
 
I would believe both loads of 2x50 grains would ignite due to both heat and pressure from the ignition of first two pellets igniting. If I wrong, still would be cataustrophic, with barrel splitting.

I saw a BPS 12 ga get about 2-3 inches of snow in barrel and split like a banana peel. That gentleman was supremely lucky. Fell dogging deer in controlled hunt WMU.

P.
 
patricksbb391 said:
I would believe both loads of 2x50 grains would ignite due to both heat and pressure from the ignition of first two pellets igniting. If I wrong, still would be cataustrophic, with barrel splitting.

I saw a BPS 12 ga get about 2-3 inches of snow in barrel and split like a banana peel. That gentleman was supremely lucky. Fell dogging deer in controlled hunt WMU.

P.
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Had my 30-06 take a nose dive into the mud one time. Same deal,pushing a swamp and I had to climb over some deadfalls so I had rifle sling on my shoulder. The sling stud I guess had loosened and came out and it topled off my back and fell and stood straight up and down muzzle down into the mud. One meathead said "just load it and shoot, it'll blow the mud out". And he was serious. Dont think so. Was just hoping I didn't see a deer for the rest of the push to just have to watch it run past and not be able to shoot. Thankfully I didn't. Lol.
 
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