CQBR / Mk18 Mod1 Clone thread - Show us your clones!

84wh1 said:
You can get some real good sights and weapon light for your budget but you will fall short on the laser (unless you want airsoft). Good set of BUIS will run you 200$ (EE price)- 350$. Clone correct KAC sights will prob run you more and be difficult to find. Surefire weapon light your prob around the 300 (EE) to 500$ ish range. So as you can see those 2 items have already eaten most of you budget.

A real PEQ15 (if you can find one) will cost you about 2k ish on the EE. Soo.....unless you are planning to actually use your laser for NVG or low light shooting, I would personally skip that purchase. You can always get an airsoft one (like Mr Donut did) for the purpose of photographs
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Yes, a real Peq 15, Atpial C or DBAL is a huge purchase. Get a decent airsoft one (no shame in that), or save up and buy a real one last.
 
Hilo71 said:
Yes, a real Peq 15, Atpial C or DBAL is a huge purchase. Get a decent airsoft one (no shame in that), or save up and buy a real one last.
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I agree dude. Im just in the stage of sourcing parts for my DD mk18. Its not clone correct but its in the ballpark (ish). Ive got eotech XPS2, Tango down black stubby grip, insight weapon light (black not FDE) and B5 sopmod. Next week I get my PRI gas buster CH. My temporary BUIS are simple magpul BIUS until I have the scratch for KAC or Troy or Magpul Pro...LOL

Ive been looking at the airsoft PEQ15 for really nothing more than photo reasons. I personally have no use for a real PEQ15 and the 2k can be better allocated elsewhere. But I agree, no shame in an airsoft PEQ15
 
so i was organizing my parts bin, and i had to do it.
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PS: if anyone wants i have a knockoff PEQ and elcan, i could do a side by side comparison if anyone is interested.
 
PEQ/ATPIAL comparison

Ok well here it is, real and fake PEQ15's side by side. now i have no idea what brand my fake is. i got it almost 7 years ago and it's been collecting dust for 5 of them. i will show some other brands later on and see which one is closest to the real deal. in all honesty most will be pretty nit picky as most knock offs will usually replicate the general look rather well, but those who have experience with the real thing will spot those little details instantly.

so starting off, ive numbered all the points to make this a little easier.


  • 1 - Serial Number. this is obviously the most apparent difference between a real or fake, very few knock offs will include this detail. also the ones that do, print it far too big with a different font.
  • 2 & 3 - The Dials. well, not so much the dials themselves, but the housing around them. on the fakes usually its one piece molded as part of the body with no sealing compound around it. on the real one you
    can see its two piece and sealed.​
  • 4 - Training / safety screw. Useless even on the real ATPIAL (civilian model that is). it served as a physical block to prevent going into the high power, non eye safe range during training. in this civilian legal version, those settings are just the same low power options duplicated. on the knock off the screw is either missing completely, silver in colour or sometime the correct blue.
  • 5 - IR Diffusers. On the real version it appears to be a shiney silicon/vinyl that's tan and rather tight to the unit. on the knockoffs it's loose fitting general rubber, sometimes black sometime tan.
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sical block to prevent going into the high power, non eye safe range during training. in this civilian legal version, those settings are just the same low power options duplicated. on the knock off the screw is either missing completely, silver in colour or sometime the correct blue.
[*]5 - IR Diffusers. On the real version it appears to be a shiney silicon/vinyl that's tan and

Side profile. nothing to note here that i wont be talking about later on. i originally screwed up the placement of the stickers on the knock off, the MFG tag should be on the bottom not at the top as it is now. the sticker that's missing is on my real one to read as the full power mil version, under it is the original civ power readings. also note that the real ATPIAL uses a red O-Ring whereas the knock off is black.
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  • 6 - Mounting bracket. On the real unit the bracket's block and bar are one solid unit screwed in place. on the knockoffs, only the bar is metal with the block being only a molding outline like the one shown here. better versions will replicate the real ones block as well.
  • 7 - Screws. one the real unit, all of the screws are sealed with a hard epoxy like sealant. there are no exposed screws apart from the mounting bracket. on the all the knockoffs this is not replicated and they leave the screws exposed or just mold over where the screw should be.
Also note that the real Civilian version does not include that bottom exemption sticker since it doesn't need it. as you can see i tried to migrate that one over to my real one aswell but it started to tear.
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  • 8 - More Screw holes. the front of the unit this is most apparent, real one's are all sealed.
  • 9 - Coated lenses. The real unit appears to have some type of coated lenses on both the IR illuminator and lasers.
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  • 10 - Uncovered screws. good way to spot a knockoff.
  • 11 - Uncovered Lasers. no glass covering the lasers on the knockoff and it appears the diodes are screwed in as opposed to the two piece design of the real version.
  • 12 - Flashlight. most if not all knockoffs will opt for a flashlight in place of the ir illuminator. some are IR capable but the bezel usually will still look similar to this one and thus not correct. which makes more sense as more airsofters would get more use out of a visible light opposed to IR. also of note, on the real version the bezel is polymer. on some knockoffs its anodized
    aluminum.
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  • 13 - LED Indicator. on the back of the real unit is a small green LED indicating whenever the unit is activated. some knockoffs will have this notch but not the LED, most will forego it all togeather.
  • 14 - Remote connector. The real unit will have a very large port for a proprietary cable
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  • 15 - hard edges. this one is an odd one but for me one of the biggest subtle things that make most knockoffs in general look fake including peq-15s' is the hard edges. i dont know why but on the real PEQ15 the edges are less defined, more rounded. on the knockoffs they are harder and the transitions more defined. knock off acogs are bad for this as well.
  • 16 - small pin type connector. here is the standard pin type connector used on most knockoffs.
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now how do the knockoff brands stack up? i won't list every little thing just the dead giveaways.

VFC AN/PEQ15 AIMING MODULE (LASER + FLASHLIGHT / TAN)
VFC-ACC-PEQ15TAN_1_mark.jpg


  • No serial number
  • rubber band caps
  • incorrect battery cap colour
  • band studs same colour as body
  • exposed screws


G&P PEQ DUAL LASER & LED ILLUMINATOR (RED DOT, SAND)
gp-lsp008-peq15-sd_1_mark.jpg


  • No serial number
  • rubber band caps - also incorrect colour
  • incorrect battery retainer band colour and no oring.
  • band studs same colour as body
  • exposed screws
  • activation switch incorrect colour for current gen, however older gen mil models did infact have the black activation button.
  • stickers incorrect for that modeled gen.

ELEMENT CREE LED & GREEN LASER UHP DEVICE PEQ (DARK EARTH)

Note, this one is modeled after the LA-5 UHP version. this one is the best reproduction option.
el-ex419-la-de_1_mark.jpg


  • while it does appear that the real LA-5's bezel is Aluminum bezel colour is incorrect
  • exposed screws
  • odd green glass over the lasers. but is still has glass.

and here's the real version for comparison
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Hope that was informative. if you don't want to drop 2+k on the real thing, and can tolerate filthy airsoft on your glorious mk18s' get the element one, it seems to be the best option.

PS: please pardon idiotic spelling mistakes, i didn't get around to writing this until late and i cant no speak no gud on a good day.
 
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white_knight said:
Ok well here it is, real and fake PEQ15's side by side. now i have no idea what brand my fake is. i got it almost 7 years ago and it's been collecting dust for 5 of them. i will show some other brands later on and see which one is closest to the real deal. in all honesty most will be pretty nit picky as most knock offs will usually replicate the general look rather well, but those who have experience with the real thing will spot those little details instantly.

so starting off, ive numbered all the points to make this a little easier.


  • 1 - Serial Number. this is obviously the most apparent difference between a real or fake, very few knock offs will include this detail. also the ones that do, print it far too big with a different font.
  • 2 & 3 - The Dials. well, not so much the dials themselves, but the housing around them. on the fakes usually its one piece molded as part of the body with no sealing compound around it. on the real one you
    can see its two piece and sealed.​
  • 4 - Training / safety screw. Useless even on the real ATPIAL (civilian model that is). it served as a physical block to prevent going into the high power, non eye safe range during training. in this civilian legal version, those settings are just the same low power options duplicated. on the knock off the screw is either missing completely, silver in colour or sometime the correct blue.
  • 5 - IR Diffusers. On the real version it appears to be a shiney silicon/vinyl that's tan and rather tight to the unit. on the knockoffs it's loose fitting general rubber, sometimes black sometime tan.
38727472902_d5e7edbb03_k.jpg
sical block to prevent going into the high power, non eye safe range during training. in this civilian legal version, those settings are just the same low power options duplicated. on the knock off the screw is either missing completely, silver in colour or sometime the correct blue.
[*]5 - IR Diffusers. On the real version it appears to be a shiney silicon/vinyl that's tan and

Side profile. nothing to note here that i wont be talking about later on. i originally screwed up the placement of the stickers on the knock off, the MFG tag should be on the bottom not at the top as it is now. the sticker that's missing is on my real one to read as the full power mil version, under it is the original civ power readings. also note that the real ATPIAL uses a red O-Ring whereas the knock off is black.
38042041794_5e166bfac2_k.jpg




  • 6 - Mounting bracket. On the real unit the bracket's block and bar are one solid unit screwed in place. on the knockoffs, only the bar is metal with the block being only a molding outline like the one shown here. better versions will replicate the real ones block as well.
  • 7 - Screws. one the real unit, all of the screws are sealed with a hard epoxy like sealant. there are no exposed screws apart from the mounting bracket. on the all the knockoffs this is not replicated and they leave the screws exposed or just mold over where the screw should be.
Also note that the real Civilian version does not include that bottom exemption sticker since it doesn't need it. as you can see i tried to migrate that one over to my real one aswell but it started to tear.
38758531081_652f048df9_k.jpg




  • 8 - More Screw holes. the front of the unit this is most apparent, real one's are all sealed.
  • 9 - Coated lenses. The real unit appears to have some type of coated lenses on both the IR illuminator and lasers.
24885495008_65763b5023_k.jpg




  • 10 - Uncovered screws. good way to spot a knockoff.
  • 11 - Uncovered Lasers. no glass covering the lasers on the knockoff and it appears the diodes are screwed in as opposed to the two piece design of the real version.
  • 12 - Flashlight. most if not all knockoffs will opt for a flashlight in place of the ir illuminator. some are IR capable but the bezel usually will still look similar to this one and thus not correct. which makes more sense as more airsofters would get more use out of a visible light opposed to IR. also of note, on the real version the bezel is polymer. on some knockoffs its anodized
    aluminum.
23893800527_cfaf1068b8_k.jpg



  • 13 -
    • 13 - LED Indicator. on the back of the real unit is a small green LED indicating whenever the unit is activated. some knockoffs will have this notch but not the LED, most will forego it all togeather.
    • 14 - Remote connector. The real unit will have a very large port for a proprietary cable
    23893807797_a53edb2472_k.jpg
    LED Indicator. on the back of the real unit is a small green LED indicating whenever the unit is activated. some knockoffs will have this notch but not the LED, most will forego it all togeather.
  • 14 - Remote connector. The real unit will have a very large port for a proprietary cable
23893807797_a53edb2472_k.jpg




  • 15 - hard edges. this one is an odd one but for me one of the biggest subtle things that make most knockoffs in general look fake including peq-15s' is the hard edges. i dont know why but on the real PEQ15 the edges are less defined, more rounded. on the knockoffs they are harder and the transitions more defined. knock off acogs are bad for this as well.
  • 16 - small pin type connector. here is the standard pin type connector used on most knockoffs.
24885514598_ba7c06c021_k.jpg





now how do the knockoff brands stack up? i won't list every little thing just the dead giveaways.

VFC AN/PEQ15 AIMING MODULE (LASER + FLASHLIGHT / TAN)
VFC-ACC-PEQ15TAN_1_mark.jpg


  • No serial number
  • rubber band caps
  • incorrect battery cap colour
  • band studs same colour as body
  • exposed screws


G&P PEQ DUAL LASER & LED ILLUMINATOR (RED DOT, SAND)
gp-lsp008-peq15-sd_1_mark.jpg


  • No serial number
  • rubber band caps - also incorrect colour
  • incorrect battery retainer band colour and no oring.
  • band studs same colour as body
  • exposed screws
  • activation switch incorrect colour for current gen, however older gen mil models did infact have the black activation button.
  • stickers incorrect for that modeled gen.

ELEMENT CREE LED & GREEN LASER UHP DEVICE PEQ (DARK EARTH)

Note, this one is modeled after the LA-5 UHP version. this one is the best reproduction option.
el-ex419-la-de_1_mark.jpg


  • while it does appear that the real LA-5's bezel is Aluminum bezel colour is incorrect
  • exposed screws
  • odd green glass over the lasers. but is still has glass.

and here's the real version for comparison
LA5PEQC_af.jpg



Hope that was informative. if you don't want to drop 2+k on the real thing, and can tolerate filthy airsoft on your glorious mk18s' get the element one, it seems to be the best option.

PS: please pardon idiotic spelling mistakes, i didn't get around to writing this until late and i cant no speak no gud on a good day.
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Thanks for posting this dude. I actually just got my knock off PEQ15 and it has a few features that your doesnt such as serial number and a real metal backing & screws at the bottom. It hurts me to have this airsoft thing on my rifle but I just get myself to buy a 2k piece of kit that I will never use. lol
 
White knight,
These PEQ units look really cool. Got a question.

Other than being "clone correct", do these knock offs do anything? Do they actually emit something? Like a visible red/green laser? Is the only difference between a real and a fake the IR capability? I would assume even the airsoft units will work fine with a .223 recoil if it's just the laser.
I've never seen one in person hence the newb question.
 
Still alive said:
White knight,
These PEQ units look really cool. Got a question.

Other than being "clone correct", do these knock offs do anything? Do they actually emit something? Like a visible red/green laser? Is the only difference between a real and a fake the IR capability? I would assume even the airsoft units will work fine with a .223 recoil if it's just the laser.
I've never seen one in person hence the newb question.
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As someone who just looked into and bought an airsoft unit I can tell you that there are several different versions available. There is a "battery box" version which sells for like 15$ and it nothing more than a storage container that looks like a PEQ15. There is also another version (like the one I got from amazon for 50 ish $) that has a red laser and flashlight (the light is pretty damn bright actually). There are multiple settings like momentary and constant features which is pretty cool. Its claims to have an IR setting and if you look towards the laser you can see a very dim red illumination in this setting but I have my doubts that it would actually be IR visible. A buddy of mine has some cheap NVG stuff so maybe I will actually test it out and see if it does work.

The visible red laser is also adjustable to windage and elevation FYI
 
Thanks 84wh1,
Good info. Is the $50 unit as high end as you can get for a knock off? Or are there better, more expensive ones?
Also, please let us know the longevity of the unit with actual use on a real AR.

Oh yeah, one thing I’ve noticed with cheap lasers is they don’t hold zero well. Mostly (?) due to the exposed adjustment knobs.
 
Still alive said:
Thanks 84wh1,
Good info. Is the $50 unit as high end as you can get for a knock off? Or are there better, more expensive ones?
Also, please let us know the longevity of the unit with actual use on a real AR.

Oh yeah, one thing I’ve noticed with cheap lasers is they don’t hold zero well. Mostly (?) due to the exposed adjustment knobs.
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I honestly dont know if all the 50$ ish knock offs are the same. I wouldnt be surprised if they are but I have seen some sell for around the 80-90ish dollar range. I highly doubt that the slightly more expensive units will hold up better to the cheaper ones though. Sightmark makes a laser unit that looks more like a Steiner DBal and it sells for like 150$ ish. No idea how it performs but my assumption is that its of better quality than the PEQ knock offs.

I have my doubts that this fake PEQ will hold zero through hard AR usage though. It doesnt exactly feel bomb proof. lol

Like many who buy fake IR lasers, its mainly there for mall ninja pictures......lol
 
Still alive said:
White knight,
These PEQ units look really cool. Got a question.

Other than being "clone correct", do these knock offs do anything? Do they actually emit something? Like a visible red/green laser? Is the only difference between a real and a fake the IR capability? I would assume even the airsoft units will work fine with a .223 recoil if it's just the laser.
I've never seen one in person hence the newb question.
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like 84wh1 said. most have either a red or green laser version with the illuminator being a typical white light, and some do offer IR capability. how well the IR works i don't know, i imagine there would be atrocious bloom if my green laser version is any indicator. i don't know about all versions, but i highly doubt it will hold a zero. the adjustment dials are barely spring loaded with what feels like a bic pen spring and no detents. i can push the adjustment dial down like a push button and see the green laser move from 5'' left to right at like 10'. i imagine it will easily walk itself off target rather quickly.

84wh1 said:
Its claims to have an IR setting and if you look towards the laser you can see a very dim red illumination in this setting but I have my doubts that it would actually be IR visible. A buddy of mine has some cheap NVG stuff so maybe I will actually test it out and see if it does work.

The visible red laser is also adjustable to windage and elevation FYI
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please Don't look into that beam. the whole reason mil models are not for civilian sale is due to the fact that they are not eye safe and won't cause your eye to blink. since you can't "see" the laser as it damages your eyes. these chinese copies are known to far exceed the power output even listed on their own advertisements and i wouldn't want to be staring down a unregulated, untested chinese knock off laser. if you want to test its IR capabilities, grab your cellphone or webcam and point the laser at that. they are all IR sensitive and it will appear as a purple bloom.


this is a 250 lumen light through an IR filter. this would hurt to stare into in white light. notice how bright the photo is, meaning this is not pumping enough light to overpower the ambient light
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now the LOW POWER civilian legal eye safe PEQ
Illuminator. (notice the more intense point, also causing a lens flare. the background it darker, indicating the illuminator is starting to overpower ambient light)
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Now the EYE SAFE laser
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the background is black. it's easily overpowering ambient light. now compare that to the first 250 lumen photo. my point is this is the tested FCC approved eyesafe real version. dont point the knockoff at your eye, it could be orders of magnitude brighter than this and could damage your sight.
 
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