Advice on my first AR

Stoner99 said:
KiddX.

Save your self from the absolutism disease.


I have no qualms about BCM. But let’s be serious here. What machine are in the BCM plant. Is it actually a manufacturing facility ?


If you look at there website it says they build AR’s what does that entail exactly. Yes they have great marketing with cool instructors that have been on the line many times. I would have zero problem grabbing a BCM gun.

What are they building exactly. They seem to hire a lot vets that take parts and assemble them. That is assembling ARs not manufacturing.

Your choice of words is not fair and does not describe the Colt Expanse and is more banter than explaining the differences.
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BCM mills their own receivers, makes their own barrels and bolt carrier groups. Small parts I'm betting are outsourced like 99% of the AR market but they are milspec and they do inspect all their parts.

rkm456 said:
That's a bunch of crap, and you know it. It's not a businesses job to babysit it's customers.
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You're right they aren't babysitters, but they also shouldn't claim "The Colt Expanse™ M4 carbine puts a Colt quality AR-15 within easy reach of the modern sportsman" when it isn't Colt quality.

https://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/Expanse-M4
 
Kidd X said:
You're right they aren't babysitters, but they also shouldn't claim "The Colt Expanse™ M4 carbine puts a Colt quality AR-15 within easy reach of the modern sportsman" when it isn't Colt quality.

https://www.colt.com/Catalog/Rifles/Expanse-M4
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Which is why I've repeatedly asked if people are having quality/reliability issues with the Exapnse rifles. If they aren't it's hard for me to entertain that it isn't "Colt quality".
 
rkm456 said:
Which is why I've repeatedly asked if people are having quality/reliability issues with the Exapnse rifles. If they aren't it's hard for me to entertain that it isn't "Colt quality".
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No reliability issues here so far, but less than 200 rounds downrange.
As to quality, it looks fine to me and I don't notice any mismatch between upper and lower. Stoner99 had a good look at it and it doesn't hurt my feelings if imperfections are revealed. I expected to get what I paid for.
I have a Colt Canada BCG coming for it. :0)
 
pilon said:
No reliability issues here so far, but less than 200 rounds downrange.
As to quality, it looks fine to me and I don't notice any mismatch between upper and lower. Stoner99 had a good look at it and it doesn't hurt my feelings if imperfections are revealed. I expected to get what I paid for.
I have a Colt Canada BCG coming for it. :0)
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Yeah just stick the system and stay with Colt Canada parts going forwards. It will work well.

1 is none 2 is one.
 
rkm456 said:
I've obviously not inspected every Colt Expanse rifle, but the one I did look over at the local Cabela's had the same forge marks as his LE6920, and not the circle.
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For those that care here are a few comments on other forums:

Trigger Happy
2 months ago
I bought one when they first came out. I was pretty disappointed at first when I started to really look into them and realized a lot of the parts didn't seem to be actual Colt. But after almost a year and between 1000-1500 rounds, I am extremely happy with it! Especially for the $599 price I paid for it! I have not had a single failure and it is one of my most accurate rifles! If anything, Colt must have done their homework on whoever it is building the Expanse for them before putting their name on it




Adam Caldwell
1 month ago
I bought the Colt M4 Expanse CE2000 rifle because it's the cheapest Colt rifle. I spent $2400 in upgrades to make it fit my specifications. It didn't make sense buying the LE6920 for $1000.00. Then dump $2400.00.




BOORAGG
4 months ago
The Colt Expanse M4 now has a forward assist and dust cover. Interesting check down of the component's authenticity, however the question that really matters to shooters is how well does the rifle perform. This is not something where the name Colt is going to effect any collector value. A more valuable review would be how do the part COMPARE FUNCTIONALLY. Although not stated, the implication is that Colt is ripping people off with out-sourced components. If so, show us.




Chris Bartocci
4 months ago
BOORAGG the point of this has nothing to do with FUNCTIONALITY. Is this rifle a Hartford Horsey. No it is not. None of the components are Colt. I showed and proved that. The current lawsuit proves that as well. If someone does not care, buy it. People have a right to know what they are buying. Colt sells as if it was a factory rifle, hence a Colt quality mil spec rifle. It's not. I never said the rifle was poor quality or that it was garbage. That is irrelevant to the point of this video. I think most people would be upset it is not a real Colt. Based on the poor sales and Colt's breech of contract with the Texas-based company that maid with due to poor sales, people felt this was not a cool move. Unfortunately, this is Colt cheapening their brand and deliberately misleading customers saying this is made by them and it's not.
 
Kidd X said:
The Expanse very much is junk when compared to a proper milspec rifle such as the rest of Colts' offerings(legit Colt that is). Compared to other hobby brands I'm sure the Expanse is a fair bit better but I won't be taking the chance to save a few hundred bucks.

You mention the TDP and although it is not 100% confirmed as anyone outside FN and Colt caught with the secret gov document is in big doodoo, BCM does have the specs and is the ONLY company to prove that they adhere to milspec testing standards. BCM has published third party independent testing on their barrels and bolts as an example. I don't doubt CC and DD as well as Colt USA are also making milspec guns but as it stands none of them have provided proof of such.



You need to do a lot of reading and research before commenting here.
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I'll comment as much as I want and I respect you and your privilege to do the same.
 
The problem with the Colt Expanse is the fact that most retailers are selling the gun as an actual Colt Hartford produced AR when it is actually not. Some parts appear to be and others are not. Depends on the Expanse version it seems and how much is actually made by Colt ??? Hard to say for certain.
 
Stoner99 said:
The problem with the Colt Expanse is the fact that most retailers are selling the gun as an actual Colt Hartford produced AR when it is actually not. Some parts appear to be and others are not. Depends on the Expanse version it seems and how much is actually made by Colt ??? Hard to say for certain.
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Do we know that it for sure isn't assembled in Hartford?

As previously discussed, no one actually makes all of their own parts. It's just a question of how much finishing they do on them.
 
rkm456 said:
Do we know that it for sure isn't assembled in Hartford?

As previously discussed, no one actually makes all of their own parts. It's just a question of how much finishing they do on them.
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Jeebus! They are being sued by the Texas company that made them for Colt.
 
This is why I generallly stick to companies like HK or CC, KAC etc. its not just because they are top companies but you know what you are getting. Consistency is key.
 
rkm456 said:
Do we know that it for sure isn't assembled in Hartford?

As previously discussed, no one actually makes all of their own parts. It's just a question of how much finishing they do on them.
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Look at the quote below or simply the post below your own. A Texas based company is being sued, Mr. Bartocci clearly demonstrates that the parts are not Colt parts. Do you need a written invitation to accept the fact that the Expanse is NOT a genuine Hartford Colt built product?!

Leg said:
Jeebus! They are being sued by the Texas company that made them for Colt.
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Kidd X said:
Look at the quote below or simply the post below your own. A Texas based company is being sued, Mr. Bartocci clearly demonstrates that the parts are not Colt parts. Do you need a written invitation to accept the fact that the Expanse is NOT a genuine Hartford Colt built product?!
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Mr. Bartocci (apparently we're being formal) has a different version of the gun than is currently sitting on store shelves.
 
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