Unopened box of C21 7.62x51


Just keep a eye open for it. I picked up all this stuff at gun shows for the Canadian Military collection. The crate is for the rubber bandoliers, cloth version is down below. All those cardboard cases were surplus off in the 90's. I know at the Calgary Easter show there was at less 25 cases of it and at the Kamloops show there was around 20.
 
They stopped the rubber bandoliers in the early 70's because of the reasons stated, the ammo would get crusty in storage. It was a bad idea for long term.
They switched to canvas bandoliers, 5 rounds on a steel stripper clip and stored in an M2A1 Steel can. Two cans per wirebound wooden crate around 1971 I believe.

We have lots of 7.62mm C21 FN FAL ammunition (IVI production 74 year) still in storage in the exact pack config/NSN as above. Last time we cracked a crate for periodic inspection (just last year actually) that ammo was still 100% good to go. Not a single minor defect picked up on a sample size of 200 individual rounds across ten crates.
 

Just keep a eye open for it. I picked up all this stuff at gun shows for the Canadian Military collection. The crate is for the rubber bandoliers, cloth version is down below. All those cardboard cases were surplus off in the 90's. I know at the Calgary Easter show there was at less 25 cases of it and at the Kamloops show there was around 20.

That is a nice little display, the wooden box looks like the WWII wooden box for .303 with a coat of greet paint, is there any sign of paper labels pasted on and painted over? That is the first wooden box I have seen as I had only seen the wire bound crates but with the cardboard boxes inside (as OP depicts) Travis mentions. Thanks for posting.
 
They stopped the rubber bandoliers in the early 70's because of the reasons stated, the ammo would get crusty in storage. It was a bad idea for long term.
They switched to canvas bandoliers, 5 rounds on a steel stripper clip and stored in an M2A1 Steel can. Two cans per wirebound wooden crate around 1971 I believe.

We have lots of 7.62mm C21 FN FAL ammunition (IVI production 74 year) still in storage in the exact pack config/NSN as above. Last time we cracked a crate for periodic inspection (just last year actually) that ammo was still 100% good to go. Not a single minor defect picked up on a sample size of 200 individual rounds across ten crates.

What has become of the 7.62 clipped with the C1 long gone ? Seems kind of strange to hold stocks of ammo for a rifle that is gone out of service.
 
What has become of the 7.62 clipped with the C1 long gone ? Seems kind of strange to hold stocks of ammo for a rifle that is gone out of service.

There are still many pallets of it in storage at 3rd line depots across the country.
There is no system in place to destroy obsolete small arms ammunition currently. They won't let us blow it up anymore. They shut us down on using our blast furnaces to smelt it as we did in days past. So it just sits in cold storage until we either find a semi less sketchy international buyer for it or until DAEME 6 can figure out how to dispose of it properly and not piss off David Suzuki in the process or something....
There are gads of it still around at 2nd and 3rd line facilities in cold storage from coast to coast. I have seen it and handled it personally in at least two locations.

There are also some C1's still in vaults. I know of one personally and have fired it as recently as this year. It's being used for a legitimate purpose as well and still gets annual service inspection. I won't say more than that on here though lol

There is also mountains of pallets of newly manufactured IVI produced .303 British Ball FMJ Tailor made Lee Enfield ammo as old as 90's production and as recent production as 2010 and older in stock in many locations. This is what DND had IVI producing under contract to supply the rangers with for trg ammunition for the Lee Enfields up until at least 2 years ago.
The Rangers will now be using the .308 Win Sakko Tikka if they are not already being phased in as I type this.
I have this info direct from a high ranking ATO at a division position that DND will likely be handing all this remaining .303 ammo over to the Rangers......not offering it to current full reg force serving military members who have valid PALs....just handing it over to the Rangers. How's that for a great idea eh?
Talk about a kick in the face. F**king bureaucrats.

That being said now though, they are using 7.62mm chambered Sakko rifles now. I would not be surprised to see the log guides for the old C21 clipped packs being added to trg allocations for Ranger battalions once again in the near future for practice ammo. Better that than blowing it up or selling it to some sketchy UAE ####hole that made it onto the "sometimes acceptable" friendly nation sell list that month I suppose.
 
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There are still many pallets of it in storage at 3rd line depots across the country.
There is no system in place to destroy obsolete small arms ammunition currently. They won't let us blow it up anymore. They shut us down on using our blast furnaces to smelt it as we did in days past. So it just sits in cold storage until we either find a semi less sketchy international buyer for it or until DAEME 6 can figure out how to dispose of it properly and not piss off David Suzuki in the process or something....
There are gads of it still around at 2nd and 3rd line facilities in cold storage from coast to coast. I have seen it and handled it personally in at least two locations.

There are also some C1's still in vaults. I know of one personally and have fired it as recently as this year. It's being used for a legitimate purpose as well and still gets annual service inspection. I won't say more than that on here though lol

There is also mountains of pallets of newly manufactured IVI produced .303 British Ball FMJ Tailor made Lee Enfield ammo as old as 90's production and as recent production as 2010 and older in stock in many locations. This is what DND had IVI producing under contract to supply the rangers with for trg ammunition for the Lee Enfields up until at least 2 years ago.
The Rangers will now be using the .308 Win Sakko Tikka if they are not already being phased in as I type this.
I have this info direct from a high ranking ATO at a division position that DND will likely be handing all this remaining .303 ammo over to the Rangers......not offering it to current full reg force serving military members who have valid PALs....just handing it over to the Rangers. How's that for a great idea eh?
Talk about a kick in the face. F**king bureaucrats.

That being said now though, they are using 7.62mm chambered Sakko rifles now. I would not be surprised to see the log guides for the old C21 clipped packs being added to trg allocations for Ranger battalions once again in the near future for practice ammo. Better that than blowing it up or selling it to some sketchy UAE ####hole that made it onto the "sometimes acceptable" friendly nation sell list that month I suppose.

Thanks Travis Bickle for the insight, I wish IVI went into sales of the .303 Mk 8 ball for commercial use, they would sell a ton of it. The 7.62 in storage is no surprise seeing that in time going to the Rangers either with the new rifle coming to them in time. No doubt a handful of C1s (plus a few other old clunkers like the SMG C1 and C5 GPMG) escaped the great melt down and in the system for training and display purposes.
 
Hey stickhunter, have you opened it up? If so I'm curious what its condition is? I just picked up an identical case of of Lot 493 DAQ 65 from Elwood Epps. Debating whether to open it up and look for the green goo, or hold on for now, or...?
 
Hey stickhunter, have you opened it up? If so I'm curious what its condition is? I just picked up an identical case of of Lot 493 DAQ 65 from Elwood Epps. Debating whether to open it up and look for the green goo, or hold on for now, or...?

There is one sitting behind glass with all the other surplus ammo at our local Canadian Tire store. They have a good selection of surplus at OK prices, but no 7.62 x 55R.
 
I must of missed that as I have never seen lose rounds from the factory, maybe , just maybe, it was a opened lot reissued from the Ammo techs. Everything I ever saw was clipped, or belted.

Nope .. was boxed (and sealed like civilian factory stuff in a heavy brown cardboard box) as Purple mentions ... with the following marking: '0004' '20 Cartridges' ' 7.62 MM Ball C21' 'LOT ###-IVI-xx' - the box I am looking at right now is ###-IVI-72 .. if this was repackaged loose rounds by ammo techs they were VERY industrious and were taking a small 'flyer' by putting a lot number on the box made up of turned in ammo..
 
Didn't the ORA hand this out back in the day, along with IVI to the ORA affiliate clubs for use in Long Range Competative practice shoots and competitions? I'd heard that DA was the better.

I used to shoot Long range in the 90's at Cedar Springs and there was lots of surplus IVI and sometimes DA for practice or comps., for the newbies who weren't into reloading yet.
I think I have some DA 72 kicking around, locked up in the basement.
 
I tired both DA and IVI for PR. It's not that good.

Great for the semi autos but don't expect match ammo performance.
 
The 20 rounds of C21 loose in a box pack could have been a pack configuration for use in the old C3 rifle.
IVI also produces runs of ammunition that is solely for government agencies outside of DND ie RCMP.
One example is 77gr 5.56mm match ammunition in cardboard boxes of 20. Complete with military lot markings and all.
It's common. They dont just produce ammo for DND.
 
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