The day has finally arrived!!! Rem 870 DM

I’m not usually a nay-sayer, and I do like Remington products, but these thing look like barf f:P:

I’ve seen prettier things on my lawn after my dog eats a jalapeño cheese ball off the kitchen island.
 
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Go under? The freedom group has plenty of money don't they after Obama's sales blitz
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Haven't you seen the threads? Remington is doing very poorly lately. Their sales are down, and they've had multiple bad product launches in recent years (most recently the rp9 or whatever, before that the 770 series rifles, ect)

Between the 700 trigger recall, crappy new products, and the terrible QC (particularly on marlins a few years back) their reputation has taken a real beating. Add to that, every gun maker is hurting because they over produced leading into the last election assuming Hillary would win (that's why we see all these rebates and discounted AR's) and it's no wonder they're in trouble. In 2015, they lost like $135 million, while Ruger and S&w both profited 20+mil.
 
They don't have norinco in the the states, if they did, Remington wouldn't have even push this out. A $399 CDN gun or a $699USD that works the same!? your pick.

I will gladly keep my Dom Arm grizzly, its a cheap gun that takes all Remington parts and I wouldn't care if a quad drives over it by accident in the field
 
I don't think these would be legal to hunt with the 3rd magazine as is.

"4 It is unlawful to hunt or trap with a set gun or with a pump, repeating or auto loading shotgun unless the magazine contains a plug that is incapable of holding more than 2 cartridges."

To me, that reads any shotgun whos magazine holds more than 2 (bolt closed or open doesn't matter) is verboten.
 
I don't think these would be legal to hunt with the 3rd magazine as is.

"4 It is unlawful to hunt or trap with a set gun or with a pump, repeating or auto loading shotgun unless the magazine contains a plug that is incapable of holding more than 2 cartridges."

To me, that reads any shotgun whos magazine holds more than 2 (bolt closed or open doesn't matter) is verboten.
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Migratory Birds Regulations

Hunting Methods and Equipment
15 (1) Subject to subsections (4) and (5) and section 23.1, no person shall hunt a migratory bird

(a) except with a long bow and arrow or with a shotgun not larger than number 10 gauge;

(b) by the use or aid of live birds, including non-migratory birds;

(c) by the use or aid of recorded bird calls, except as permitted in any part of Schedule I;

(d) with a shotgun of any description capable of holding more than three shells unless the capacity of the gun has been reduced to three shells in the magazine and chamber combined, by means of the cutting off or the altering or plugging of the magazine with a one-piece metal, plastic or wood filler that cannot be removed unless the gun is disassembled; or
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According to the laws, as long as the shotgun can't hold more than 3 shells in total, you're good from the looks of this.
 
Gravel Agency said:
Migratory Birds Regulations




According to the laws, as long as the shotgun can't hold more than 3 shells in total, you're good from the looks of this.
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But if you can fit 3 in the mag, and 1 in the chamber, that's 4. I don't see how the bolt being open or closed has anything to do with it?

Also, I quoted the bc hunting regs so even if the migratory bird regs allow it (which seems like a grey area) I think it would be illegal in BC.
 
But if you can fit 3 in the mag, and 1 in the chamber, that's 4. I don't see how the bolt being open or closed has anything to do with it?
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If you put one in the chamber and close the bolt, the 3 round mag with 3 shells won't fit, so you have to remove a shell from the magazine giving you three shells in total in the shotgun.

If you put the 3 round mag in on an open bolt with a shell in the chamber, you're going to have an issue with a double feed. You pull the round out that double fed and you're back to 1 in the chamber and two in the mag.
 
Gravel Agency said:
If you put one in the chamber and close the bolt, the 3 round mag with 3 shells won't fit, so you have to remove a shell from the magazine giving you three shells in total in the shotgun.

If you put the 3 round mag in on an open bolt with a shell in the chamber, you're going to have an issue with a double feed. You pull the round out that double fed and you're back to 1 in the chamber and two in the mag.
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Yes I understand that. I don't see how that circumvents the law though. You could put one in the chamber, 3 in the mag. That's 4. No where does it say that if that'll cause a malfunction then it's legal, it just says no more than 3, period. Seems like the sort of thing that'll get you in trouble if the CO wants to cause you trouble....

Logically, what you claim makes sense. The problem is logic is rarely applied when it comes to interpreting regulations....

(also, as noted before it would be illegal in BC either way(as bc law says no more than 2 in the mag). Probably some other provinces too)
 
(also, as noted before it would be illegal in BC either way(as bc law says no more than 2 in the mag). Probably some other provinces too)
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Thankfully Federal laws override provincial laws concerning the same issues.

Also the BC Hunting Regs state......

Summary
The information presented here is a summary of the law. If there is a discrepancy between the law and this summary, the law prevails. For complete information on fines, general prohibitions, permitted hunting methods and equipment, the requirement to have adequate means to retrieve birds immediately, restrictions on the use of bait, the description of hunting districts, and other restrictions on hunting, please refer to the Migratory Birds Convention Act, 1994 and Migratory Birds Regulations.
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If a CO wants to cause you trouble, you're going to have trouble no matter what you do though. ;)
 
Hopefully, this will be offered as a retrofit kit for regular 870 receivers (with a drilling template), to convert one of my Wingmasters so I don't have to buy an Express.


And is there a chance we'll see a DM Versamax someday?
 
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Suther said:
Yes I understand that. I don't see how that circumvents the law though. You could put one in the chamber, 3 in the mag. That's 4. No where does it say that if that'll cause a malfunction then it's legal, it just says no more than 3, period. Seems like the sort of thing that'll get you in trouble if the CO wants to cause you trouble....
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The question is- will the 3 round magazine even attach to the firearm with a closed bolt? Sounds like it won't. If it won't attach, then it would be legal
 
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