Glock 35 vs 41 for IPSC Standard Major?

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Hi everyone,

I'm getting into competitive shooting and will start in the IPSC Production Division next year. I've got a Glock 17 that will work fine for that, but I'd eventually like to get into Standard Division Major.

It seems most people in Standard shoot 40 S&W, but I've heard it has more muzzle flip than 45 ACP. I've never fired 40 S&W but am a big fan of 45.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of both? I'm looking at either the Glock 35 or Glock 41. Since we're in Canada, mag capacity is a moot point, and I understand the G35 comes with a lighter trigger.

I already reload 45, so that would be convenient, but not a huge deal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.
 
saunders278 said:
I already reload 45, so that would be convenient, but not a huge deal.
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Total no brainer. I believe the trigger can be modified in standard so that doesn't really matter either.

It seems the intelligent thing to do would be to go with the .45, however I'm not one to discourage a guy from getting into a new caliber either.
 
I am making the switch from classic (45) to standard (40) this year. Part was due to lack of compitition locally but the big reason is I am struggling to find projectiles of the same type consistantly for the 45. Thus ever time I ordered, I needed to work up a new load. So it will be something to keep in mind when deciding. I am not a huge practicer but I still managed to go through close to 3000 rounds this year for a couple of matches.
 
In the rest of the civilized world, people shoot 40 in standard for the capacity advantage; we primarily do it so we can get brass easier and ammo cheaper.

If you don’t mind chasing your brass, not planning on shooting outside of Canada and you’re able to pay more for ammo, 45acp would be just fine for IPSC Standard.
I'm sure the "push" from a 230gr 45ACP at 170 PF would feel nicer than the "crack" of a 180gr 40 at 170PF especially in a light gun like a Glock.
 
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If you are absolutely married to the Glock platform the following may not interest you.

I have a M&P 40 cal 5" Pro and a Tanfoglio "L" Model 5" in 40cal. The felt recoil and muzzle flip in the M&P is noticeably stronger than the all steel Tanfoglio, Shooting 40 cal at major in a polymer gun can get old quick. The 45acp might be somewhat less than the 40 in a polymer gun but I doubt much less than a 40 cal in a steel gun.

With that in mind one of our shooters her started Standard Division with a M&P 40 cal. He now shoots at the Master/A Class Level. When he made the switch to a CZ all steel gun his scores improved noticeably. I have watched him shoot and his recovery time from shot to shot has improved since making the switch.

If you are going to make the move to Standard I would suggest you pick yourself up a CZ or Tanfoglio in 40 cal. You don't have to spend a fortune on either. While the CZ has more after market parts available to you the Tanfoglio doesn't really need much. The "L" model is an entry level gun with a decent but not great trigger, excellent sights and the best grip of any gun I own. The model, make and design you choose is only limited to your budget.

The 45acp is a great caliber but even if you reload it is more expensive to shoot than the 40 cal. Felt recoil is less than a 40 cal using the same platform. I prefer the recoil in a steel 45acp gun over the felt recoil out of my M&P in 40.

Guys who shoot Standard Division use steel guns and shoot 40 for a reason. Personally I would go with a steel gun from the start.

Take Care

Bob
ps the neat thing about Tanfanglio is you can buy a 9MM top end and have one gun for both divisions. That is what I did.
 
Thanks Bob,

My plan was to start in Standard with a Glock and eventually save up $ for an STI. I'm not a huge fan of CZs but I've been checking out these Tangfoglios you suggested and they look pretty nice.

You say they're good to go out of the box? And the 9mm top end you mentioned, are you saying it converts to 40 S&W?
 
saunders278 said:
Thanks Bob,

My plan was to start in Standard with a Glock and eventually save up $ for an STI. I'm not a huge fan of CZs but I've been checking out these Tangfoglios you suggested and they look pretty nice.

You say they're good to go out of the box? And the 9mm top end you mentioned, are you saying it converts to 40 S&W?
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Sean is in this thread and he can tell you what is available to you from Tanfoglio. I bought the 9MM originally and than later bought the complete 40 cal upper which fits the frame. Tanfoglio makes multiple top ends for some of their model lines. Some European countries limit shooters to the number of handguns they can own. By making multiple top ends in different calibers shooters grt access to different calibers they might not be able to buy because of the restrictions in the number of handguns they can own.

You don't have to spend a couple of grand for a pistol to start out with. The Tanfoglio pistols are patterned off of the CZ's so you might not like them. They are worth a look.

Take Care

Bob
 
I have to jump in with these guys. I've had lots of Glocks and have shot a 34 in IPSC and IDPA and they can be competitive, however the Glock gets hard on the hands vs. the CZ's and Tangfolio's I also shoot.

Does it matter much in a 24 round stage? Well I suppose not, but it sure matters when you shoot 1000's of rounds a month in practice. Add the greater parts availability and the recoil managing advantage of the heavier steel gun and it was an easy decision to drop the polymer guns from the lineup.

Kinda like shooting a lightweight field gun in skeet vs. a much heavier O/U, in a 400 round match its a huge difference fatigue wise.
 
Yeah, I'll start thinking of going straight to something steel-framed. Would you guys recommend 40 S&W in that case? Performance-wise, is 40 about the same as 45 in a steel-frame? I know 45 is more expensive, but how much difference am I looking at regarding recoil/muzzle flip?
 
saunders278 said:
Yeah, I'll start thinking of going straight to something steel-framed. Would you guys recommend 40 S&W in that case? Performance-wise, is 40 about the same as 45 in a steel-frame? I know 45 is more expensive, but how much difference am I looking at regarding recoil/muzzle flip?
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CZ and Tanfoglio make decent guns that play well in Standard Division. The 40 cal can be down loaded to minor for Production as well if you reload. If you want a duel purpose gun then stick to DA/SA guns.

Take Care

Bob
 
saunders278 said:
Hi everyone,

I'm getting into competitive shooting and will start in the IPSC Production Division next year. I've got a Glock 17 that will work fine for that, but I'd eventually like to get into Standard Division Major.

It seems most people in Standard shoot 40 S&W, but I've heard it has more muzzle flip than 45 ACP. I've never fired 40 S&W but am a big fan of 45.

What are the advantages/disadvantages of both? I'm looking at either the Glock 35 or Glock 41. Since we're in Canada, mag capacity is a moot point, and I understand the G35 comes with a lighter trigger.

I already reload 45, so that would be convenient, but not a huge deal.

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.
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its great that you are getting into competitive shooting, and production is a great division to start with.

the glock will work in production but theres a reason shadows and tanfos rule this playground.

as per standard, i won't get into 40 vs 45 debate as one is used almost universally and the other is like lobbing telephone poles, but again this division is dominated by 2011s.

you should perhaps focus on just shooting what you have, in the division you are starting with and leave the long term plans to the future, with actual experience you may change your mind about many things.
 
I own and shot a G41. I actually get more A with the G41 than my CZ TS Orange.
But it is slow........
I don't know it is the ammo, the recoil or what it is. It is slow.

My 9 mm 1911 have a better time than my 45 ACP.
If anyone know why, please let me know how I can run 45 ACP faster.
 
serbinator said:
^^^ X10000 , everything else is poop compared to a 2011 edge or better.
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The man is more important to the performance than the gun.
2011 is a gun which develop for one main purpose from the ground up. That is to compete in IPSC/USPSA.
Same like CZ Tactical Sport (original call CZ 75 IPSC)
These 2 platform have different approach to the market.
2011 could be the best performing competition gun when it is properly tune and maintain. (You do need to have a very good gunsmith working with you closely or you need to become a good gunsmith. And reload ammo that fits your 2011 is almost a must. Factory do not work really well in those custom 2011 which have a sub 2 lbs trigger.)
CZ Tactical Sport on the other hand may not out perform the best tune 2011 right out of the box, but it perform better than many 2011 out there in terms of reliability right out of the box. It eats and ejects anything you feed it. Hand load, factory, with the out of box 1.5 lbs trigger no problem.

G41 was not design for IPSC competition and not marketed to the IPSC competition world as a competition gun. It is more a big caliber Tactical Operation gun.
 
magictalent said:
The man is more important to the performance than the gun....
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You got a bias, I got a bias... so instead let the facts speak for themselves.

2011s (SVI/STI/etc) dominate the top 5 in Standard at every Level 3 in Canada and always are the guns the Canadian Teams compete with abroad.
Canadians are not pros, 99% of them select and pay for their gun themselves.

Of course, if we're talking Pros - the World Shoot was won with a Tanfoglio Limited Custom - but that's Eric - he could win shooting an airsoft gun.
 
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