Pistol Lessons

jimbo14,
I've found that some lady shooters don't have the finger strength to squeeze the trigger properly or else get tired after a few rounds. Does depend on the type of gun, as you mentioned. Most of the low left issue is the classic flinch for a right handed shooter. Maybe the dummy round test can help diagnose this issue?
I had a lady training for the RCMP so I had her shoot DA only and the gun was trembling in her hands.

Ended up recommending her try finger exercises to strengthen her fingers.
 
Jimbo14 can shoot good, that's for sure... Especially with your own gun lol

lol! Thanks. :)

jimbo14,
I've found that some lady shooters don't have the finger strength to squeeze the trigger properly or else get tired after a few rounds. Does depend on the type of gun, as you mentioned. Most of the low left issue is the classic flinch for a right handed shooter. Maybe the dummy round test can help diagnose this issue?
I had a lady training for the RCMP so I had her shoot DA only and the gun was trembling in her hands.

Ended up recommending her try finger exercises to strengthen her fingers.

Definitely. I found the same with a couple female RCMP members. I use the dummy round test to show people their flinch all the time. I'll also lend shooters my dummy rounds when I'm at the range when they're shooting on their own. It's quite the eye-opener!

For people with low hand/finger strength, I always recommend working within that restriction at the range and encouraging shorter sessions. Growing tired and shooting poorly is frustrating and a waste of money. Keep the skills growing, cutting things short when things go south, and you keep motivation increasing, along with the smiles. :)
 
Get her help right away. If her frustration is noticeable, it needs to be dealt with now, before she says "#### it!" and walks away.

Stance is easy to fix. Quicker acquisition can wait until later. What pistol is she shooting, where her anticipation of recoil is taking over? ...

"the wife" here :)

I love shooting my .45 Jericho Baby Eagle. I'm looking into doing Black Badge at the end of January - so I'm considering the same gun in 9mm. I think in trying to learn a new skill (Black badge, IPSC, etc.) it'll be more beneficial to use a gun I'm very familiar with.
Perhaps the BB course will help me iron out some kinks, but I'm not opposed to having someone correct what I do wrong. I've never had that experience.

I do get frustrated, but I love my guns :)
 
"the wife" here :)

I love shooting my .45 Jericho Baby Eagle. I'm looking into doing Black Badge at the end of January - so I'm considering the same gun in 9mm. I think in trying to learn a new skill (Black badge, IPSC, etc.) it'll be more beneficial to use a gun I'm very familiar with.
Perhaps the BB course will help me iron out some kinks, but I'm not opposed to having someone correct what I do wrong. I've never had that experience.

I do get frustrated, but I love my guns :)

Hello "the wife"!
Great to have another lady join the ranks!
The BB course isn't specifically an accuracy training course. It's designed for safety, holster use, shooting stances, movement and positions, as well as the rules of IPSC. Your instructor may touch on some shooting fundamentals but the BB course expects a certain level of shooting proficiency before you take it.

Do seek out professional help, as suggested, in your area if you are still looking to strengthen your fundamentals. It will serve you well. Shooting on the move will only magnify any faults.
 
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"the wife" here :)

I love shooting my .45 Jericho Baby Eagle. I'm looking into doing Black Badge at the end of January - so I'm considering the same gun in 9mm. I think in trying to learn a new skill (Black badge, IPSC, etc.) it'll be more beneficial to use a gun I'm very familiar with.
Perhaps the BB course will help me iron out some kinks, but I'm not opposed to having someone correct what I do wrong. I've never had that experience.

I do get frustrated, but I love my guns :)

Of your getting a new gun, I'd look at a cz shadow or if u want polymer the sp-01 phantom.
 
I had the biggest increases in USPSA by dry firing. But shooting more matches def helped too. Dry firing is Def the best bang for buck to improve firearm handling skills.

Concur.

Strongly suggest you develop a good dry fire routine. Work at it for a while and you will be amazed at your improvement. All I did was shoot IPSC / 3 Gun matches and dry fire this past summer. From mid April to mid August did not fire a single round outside of a match and I was really happy with my match performance this summer. I fully attribute my good season to my dry fire practices.
 
May or may not work for you. But I found shooting on the move the best training. It forces you to focus on front sight for shots if you want hits. My static shooting improved a bunch from it.

Yes. And practice weak and strong hand , a lot, as well as prone and different positions etc. Will make freestyle shooting seem easy peasy after a while. And if you shoot matches these are the areas where most guys/girls tend to be weak ...because they don’t practice them nearly enough...and you’ll kick butt on them if you do.
 
"the wife" here :)

I love shooting my .45 Jericho Baby Eagle. I'm looking into doing Black Badge at the end of January - so I'm considering the same gun in 9mm. I think in trying to learn a new skill (Black badge, IPSC, etc.) it'll be more beneficial to use a gun I'm very familiar with.
Perhaps the BB course will help me iron out some kinks, but I'm not opposed to having someone correct what I do wrong. I've never had that experience.

I do get frustrated, but I love my guns :)

Hello! :D

I'm not surprised you'd have a .45. Of the last 7 women I've worked with in the past few months, 5 of them liked the bigger guns. lol!

The problem with a big gun is some people can develop big flinches, and I suspect that could be what has happened to you. Trying to do this online is tough, so I still strongly recommend you seek out qualified local help. You may find that at or through the BB course. As mentioned, it's really a safety course, but when I took it, we all started with the guys checking our grips. Be sure to ask lots of questions at the course! That includes who you can see for instruction.

What I do to correct flinches will vary with the student, but a couple important things are:

- Make sure you can dry fire, while keeping the front sight post rock solid
- doing the dummy round drill. Mix live and dummy rounds in a mag and shoot. When a live round is hit, it'll go BANG. When the dummy is hit, it'll go "click". With the dummy, did the FSP move at all? Was it rock solid? Most likely, it moved. If the student wasn't sure, then they weren't looking at the FSP in the first place. :)
- if the FSP moved on a dummy round, keep dry firing on it until it's solid again, then eject it.
- if the live round went way off target, take a mental break and go through all the fundamentals I mention (in person), and try again.

The purpose of the mental break, and repeating the dryfire on a dummy, etc, is to help reinforce good behaviour and reprogram your brain. More and more range time with more complicated exercises like shooting on the move, will just confuse the issue. You want to reinforce good shooting, and each time you mess up, pause, refocus, and make the next shot go where you want. Over time the flinches will happen less and less often. When they do happen, they won't be as far off target.

There are other things/methods that I do, but this is really best done in person. Who you see at your local range will have their methods too. Just remember that the phrase "Practice makes perfect", is wrong. It's really "Perfect practice makes perfect". See the difference? :) You want to practice the right things, and reinforce that behaviour. That's how I teach, anyhow. :)
 
That makes sense! I think my next course of action will be dry-fire practicing and dummy rounds. I can see my flinches before I even come close to pulling the trigger sometimes, and that is when I get the most frustrated. I don't know if it's muscle fatigue? Perhaps I'm trying to focus so hard on doing all the right things, that I become almost distracted and unrelaxed? I think it's the latter more often than not.

Perhaps with dry-fire / dummy round practicing, I can work those things out.

I really appreciate the input. Often the advise I get is a bit too generalized. I've owned handguns for almost 3 years, and shot recreationally a dozen times a year.
Just this month I've been practicing to be more precise and disciplined fundamentally. I got to drop-in and watch at a local League Night. It looked so fun, and I can't wait to get started on BB.
 
That makes sense! I think my next course of action will be dry-fire practicing and dummy rounds. I can see my flinches before I even come close to pulling the trigger sometimes, and that is when I get the most frustrated. I don't know if it's muscle fatigue? Perhaps I'm trying to focus so hard on doing all the right things, that I become almost distracted and unrelaxed? I think it's the latter more often than not.

Perhaps with dry-fire / dummy round practicing, I can work those things out.

I really appreciate the input. Often the advise I get is a bit too generalized. I've owned handguns for almost 3 years, and shot recreationally a dozen times a year.
Just this month I've been practicing to be more precise and disciplined fundamentally. I got to drop-in and watch at a local League Night. It looked so fun, and I can't wait to get started on BB.

I really like how you're thinking about this. You are developing some good insight. The "muscle" that may be tiring first is indeed your brain. The big boom and big recoil is a lot for your brain to adjust to. Then your intense focus to shoot well... I always start new shooters with a .22 for that reason. It starts to get their brains used to the noise and movement of shooting. Some people suggest double-plugging (in-the-ear plugs, with muffs overtop). This helps reduce the noise your brain is exposed to. The big recoil of a .45 is another matter.

Like I said, this is better discussed in person, but to give you something to think about, ponder this: you may have programmed your brain to do that reflexive action when you start - or even start to think about pulling that trigger. That trigger finger movement tells your brain big things are about to happen, and it reacts. You need to fix that part, and it will take a little time.

If you have access to a .22 pistol, try that for a while. It's easier to train your brain with the .22. Then move to a 9mm and refine things, while you're doing IPSC stuff (which is a ton of fun!) The .45 is a tough gun to learn on.

I wish you well!
 
really like how you're thinking about this. You are developing some good insight. The "muscle" that may be tiring first is indeed your brain. The big boom and big recoil is a lot for your brain to adjust to. Then your intense focus to shoot well... I always start new shooters with a .22 for that reason. It starts to get their brains used to the noise and movement of shooting. Some people suggest double-plugging (in-the-ear plugs, with muffs overtop). This helps reduce the noise your brain is exposed to. The big recoil of a .45 is another matter.

Like I said, this is better discussed in person, but to give you something to think about, ponder this: you may have programmed your brain to do that reflexive action when you start - or even start to think about pulling that trigger. That trigger finger movement tells your brain big things are about to happen, and it reacts. You need to fix that part, and it will take a little time.

If you have access to a .22 pistol, try that for a while. It's easier to train your brain with the .22. Then move to a 9mm and refine things, while you're doing IPSC stuff (which is a ton of fun!) The .45 is a tough gun to learn on.

I wish you well!
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Hi Guys,

Just browsing the forums (haven't been here for quite a while) and came across this thread. I'm in the Edmonton area and I'd be happy to help out locally. I'm a full time firearms instructor and I offer private / group instruction. Certainly not trying to toot my own horn but following is a list of my qualifications:

IPSC Canada National Training Program Certified Black Badge Instructor
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute Defensive Handgun Instructor
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute Practical Rifle Instructor
GLOCK Certified Firearms Instructor
GLOCK Certified Armorer
Blackwater (USTC) Certified Carbine Instructor
CFP Certified CFSC/CRFSC Master Instructor (AB/NWT)
National Range Officer's Institute of Canada Certified Range Master

Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can be of service or answer any questions that you might have.

Regards,

David S.
 
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