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[Brian46]

Jawless animals can't feed, they starve. That might explain why you haven't seen too many. I haven't seen any live ones either, but I've seen a few dead ones after the second shot was where the first should've been.

If they don't exist, why the stories of guys finding animals with missing jaws, running around with no jaw, etc?. This is simply one of those myths people with nothing better to do perpetuate as hunter gospel.

Sounds like you have seen some recovered after a wounding shot which again does not support what people are advocating for by the posts insisting animals are having jaws shot of regularly and not recovered

 

[Purple shoulder]

I hunt and practice in prone position with stable shooting platform, and 90% sure where the deer is going to come out. So yes it is pretty much the same as target shooting. I never stated I'm shooting off hand at 200m target.

When I try shooting prone while hunting this is what i see.

Just kidding. I don't shoot prone while hunting.

 

[remyltr]

neck/head shots,depending on how the animal presents itself

there is nothing unethical about taking either of those shots

 

[Slamfire]

The objective is not to see the animal bugger off into the thickets when shot so I always endeavor to hit the shoulder joint. 1 shot DRT kill every time.

The little bit of bone and ligament damage that results is unavoidable of course.

The one on the bottom is showing a double lung. They usually give a short sprint from those not "DRT" as you always say. Or am I missing something?

The intent is to bust the shoulder and sever the spinal chord. DRT

 

[Slamfire]

That's straight out of my British Army SAS Survival Guide - place the shot just like that and the animal will drop instantly.

And next time you are in a survival situation you should definitely consider it.

However, for most hunters in most situations (ie. the most appropriate advice to give on the interwebz) advocating double lung will result in the greatest number of recovered animals with the least amount of ruined meat, imo. Something to consider for most Canadian hunters who are distinctly NOT in survival situations in any way, shape, or form.

Success for me is deemed to be seeing my quarry drop dead instantly with 1 shot. And it's survival. Adds more risk having to go look for a game animal that buggers off into the thickets. Don't you know the Boogey Man could be in there?

 

[hawk-i]

Jawless animals can't feed, they starve. That might explain why you haven't seen too many. I haven't seen any live ones either, but I've seen a few dead ones after the second shot was where the first should've been.

I'm sure the same applies to gut shot animals as well. As long as there is hunting there will be wounded game whether or not it's head vs lung shots.
Lungs shots allow for more error from the shooter while still being effective though.
However, shooting for the head probably results in far less wounded game than shooting at moving animals.

 

[Slamfire]

Another benefit of a 1 shot DRT kill -

(from Wild Game, Recipes and Laughs by Robert Foote)

https://books.google.ca/books?id=iO3GQ5qH8IAC&pg=PR3&lpg=PR3&dq=wild+game+and+recipes+robert+foote&source=bl&ots=PE1jyxTZ91&sig=BnyoPU0xCK1nj-TUL_Q_E3x700Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi3q-Liq4LYAhVF0WMKHaEZD94Q6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=wild%20game%20and%20recipes%20robert%20foote&f=false

 

[Runningfool]

The intent is to bust the shoulder and sever the spinal chord. DRT

That “one shot one kill” picture sure doesn’t have the crosshairs anywhere near the spinal cord and doesn’t look like it would take out either shoulder.

 

[Sniper_485]

This advice after about 45 years of hunting whitetails. Don't expect to immobilize them. Immobilizing is very fashionable among those who may not care about the meat or don't mind wounding and losing animal by shooting off a jaw. The deer deserve the quickest, but also the most sure death without wounding. A double lung shot, just above the heart, gives the greatest margin for aiming or holding error, is always fatal if the hit is within 4-6" of the point of aim, and results in a short tracking job that anyone with moderate skills can master. High shoulder shots do immobilize more quickly, but also destroy more meat. Neck and brain ( not "head" ) shots work instantly, but have a margin of error about 2" either side of the aiming point. Too small a target for me under hunting conditions most days.

Its been my experience that a high double lung shot either drops the deer in its tracks or within 20 yards.

 

[Slamfire]

That “one shot one kill” picture sure doesn’t have the crosshairs anywhere near the spinal cord and doesn’t look like it would take out either shoulder.

The shoulder joint should be right about there.

Spinal chord is clear in this image -

 

[Slamfire]

That “one shot one kill” picture sure doesn’t have the crosshairs anywhere near the spinal cord and doesn’t look like it would take out either shoulder.

Sorry - right, that image no the crosshairs aren't there.

 

[Runningfool]

The shoulder joint should be right about there.

Spinal chord is clear in this image -

Yeah that picture shows the shoulder and spinal cord pretty clearly. I just don’t think the One Shot One Kill picture you posted shows a shoulder or spinal cord shot.

 

[Runningfool]

Sorry - right, that image no the crosshairs aren't there.

Sorry, posted above before I saw this post from you. All good

 

[Slamfire]

That image is meant to be symbolical not anatomical.

 

[B-78]

I wonder how many of you guys who say they would not take a 100 yard neck or head shot on a deer would pass up a 100 yard shot on a gopher or magpie. Smaller target and still a wounded suffering animal if you miss. If I need an animal anchored on the spot so it stays on the property I have permission on or similar circumstances I take the best shot I have to anchor it.

 

[rral22]

I wonder how many of you guys who say they would not take a 100 yard neck or head shot on a deer would pass up a 100 yard shot on a gopher or magpie. Smaller target and still a wounded suffering animal if you miss. If I need an animal anchored on the spot so it stays on the property I have permission on or similar circumstances I take the best shot I have to anchor it.

Actually there is quite a bit of difference in the consequences of shooting a gopher at 100 yards with my 22-250, even if I don't place the shot quite perfectly, compared to shooting a deer with one of my deer cartridges. Sometimes we give extra points for the number of complete flips the gopher does in the air, or the distance it travels from point of impact. Never once flipped a deer with even my .300 Win Mag.

Your analogy is pretty silly.

 

[Longwalker]

I have successfully taken several SPINE or BRAIN shots within 100 yards when conditions indicated it was necessary. But it seldom is necessary while deer hunting. If you are hunting in such a small area that a fatally hit deer may run onto property you do not have permission to hunt on, by all means aim for the brain or neck vertebrae. Or high shoulder shot. My comments were not meant as absolutes, but I did detect a note of "best" aiming point in several previous posts promoting "head" or neck shots.
In the incident where I described missing a fox in Germany, a very short while later I dropped a running wild boar on the spot with a high shoulder shot. That placement was necessary because wild boars are dangerous when not killed as quickly as possible, and wounded but dying boars may injure hunters or dogs. Maybe urban deer are more dangerous than the ones I encounter way out here in the sticks, but I doubt it!
And regarding gophers or magpies. B-78, you are showing your inexperience or ignorance. Any solid body hit on either species with any cartridge of more power than a .22 long rifle will kill a gopher or magpie instantly. I have many hundreds of examples from personal experience from which I form that opinion. In addition, a gopher or magpie is hardly of the same importance to the environment, to society, or to the hunter, as a deer. Any animal declared an agricultural pest is subject to death by worse means than bullets, - from poison for instance. So I believe gophers and magpies are not in the same hunter ethics category as deer, and I make that judgement call with a clear conscience.