Canadian synthetic stock manufacturers?
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what actions are you looking to stock ?
I'm not a dealer here and must respect those rules but am curious to know what you are looking for.
I'm using VRTM process with carbon fiber prepregs and fiberglass in closed mold systems making various components for industry unrelated to firearms but I make stocks for me and my buds. I don't think there is anyone in canada who can make a rifle stock like I do. This is as cutting edge as it gets for producing high strength, heat and vibration resistant composite parts. I have been toying with opening up a rifle stock division but moved away from firearms related business after JT got elected LOL
I'm not a dealer here and must respect those rules but am curious to know what you are looking for.
I'm using VRTM process with carbon fiber prepregs and fiberglass in closed mold systems making various components for industry unrelated to firearms but I make stocks for me and my buds. I don't think there is anyone in canada who can make a rifle stock like I do. This is as cutting edge as it gets for producing high strength, heat and vibration resistant composite parts. I have been toying with opening up a rifle stock division but moved away from firearms related business after JT got elected LOL
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Depending on what kind of stock your looking for Alex Felso might have something your looking for. I believe hes working with Ian Robertson.
MCRS is another Canadian stock manufacturer. I keep hearing he can be hard to deal with but those who have bought one of his stocks were pleased.
I would save up and buy a McMillan though... buy once, cry once. I ordered a McMillan XIT at the end of August and I got it this week.
MCRS is another Canadian stock manufacturer. I keep hearing he can be hard to deal with but those who have bought one of his stocks were pleased.
I would save up and buy a McMillan though... buy once, cry once. I ordered a McMillan XIT at the end of August and I got it this week.
what about a Mcmillan stock makes it a buy once cry once product?
I'm genuinely curious why everyone raves about them. Composite manufacturing has gone far beyond the tech that most rifle stock makers are using so again.... I gotta ask what makes Mcmillan a buy once cry once product?
I have seen the latest tech at mcmillan , but still you have a stock that is a shell, and the rest is filler material.
They make some real nice product so don't think i'm here to knock mcmillan, that's not my intention. I'm just curious what people base thier own justifaction for the actual price tag when they probably do not have any knowledge of the process or materials used to make that stock. Personally i feel that Canadian shooters are paying way too much for products that are not being made to exacting standards using the latest tech in closed mold composite manufacture.
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You won't have an issue with the stock but if you do they will take care of it no hassles. For me the XIT stock is very comfortable as long I'm shooting F Class I'll be using one. I don't want any compromises in my equipment so I choose to use a quality stock. I've seen cheap stocks flex or even crack.
I would be just as happy using a Robertson if Ian was still making stocks.
I agree though they are expensive
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If someone was making solid and not too heavy synthetics for weatherby vanguard/howa 1500 for a decent price, I'd be all over a couple. I'd also be all over a synthetic for a savage 99f lol. Dare to dream.
I was under the impression that Ian was no longer making stocks. As for Wildcat he can do a lot not listed on his website. He does do Rugers and can make R or L handed ones. If you want you can send him your barreled action and he will fit the stock, bed it, install sling swivels and recoil pad to your LOP and paint it or hydrodip it. My son had one done and Stuart had KS arms install a muzzle brake with about a 3 week turnaround.
Because he started making fiberglass auto parts he can alter his stocks to fit almost any action.
Because he started making fiberglass auto parts he can alter his stocks to fit almost any action.
Not sure if Ian is making the stocks but it appears he has been involved in helping a new guy get off the ground using Ian's expertise. He posted about it in the precision rifle forum recently i believe.
I make composite components for an RV wholesaler and for a couple other industrial applications but used to be a business member here smithing and making stocks for m14 rifles. Typical vacuum bagging hand layup like all the other stock makers but decided to move away from firearms related components a few years ago. Much more stable work flow and income LOL
I'm still trying to decide if it's worth extending the work space to encorporate stock making or if the demand is just a few folks on cgn. I can manufacture a 1 piece carbon fiber/fiberglass stock with most action inlets precisely molded right into the stock. This type of stock construction utilizes very minimal fillers.... which in my case are only used for weighting portions of a stock. Nearly all other manufacturers processes I've seen create a shell of both sides and either join them in closed mold or after being demolded. Fillers are then used to fill the stock body and barrel channels and inlets created in the filler by power tools like milling machines or router set ups , both cnc and manual.
A stock maker with cnc milling routing capability can then pretty much create whatever inlet he has a program for.
I do things much differently and produce a very high temperature cured stock that comes out of the mold as a drop in fit unit, requiring no fillers. Fillers are added to recesses where weight is desired to balance an action or to dampen recoil. This all made possible by a process called VRTM and uses very advanced resins capable of withstanding 540F and impervious to vibration, moisture ect. One of the cool jobs i picked up last year was to mold a large cog gear in aluminum, carbon and aramid as well as 3, 15 foot long one piece wind turbine blades. Was a cool project that turned out awesome and really opened my eyes to how a process like that can really change the way a rifle stock could be made if one took the thinking out of the box a little.
Now, this is not an add, I'm going to ignore any message i get asking about my stocks as really, I'm not making stocks for sale and have only made them for friends hunting rifles. The results however, have been pretty damn exceptional LOL
I am however interested in hearing what canadians are looking for and what they would like to be paying. I mean heck, if everyone is okay with paying 800 for a rifle stock as good or better than a mcmillan...... there's some good money to be made hehehehe
I make composite components for an RV wholesaler and for a couple other industrial applications but used to be a business member here smithing and making stocks for m14 rifles. Typical vacuum bagging hand layup like all the other stock makers but decided to move away from firearms related components a few years ago. Much more stable work flow and income LOL
I'm still trying to decide if it's worth extending the work space to encorporate stock making or if the demand is just a few folks on cgn. I can manufacture a 1 piece carbon fiber/fiberglass stock with most action inlets precisely molded right into the stock. This type of stock construction utilizes very minimal fillers.... which in my case are only used for weighting portions of a stock. Nearly all other manufacturers processes I've seen create a shell of both sides and either join them in closed mold or after being demolded. Fillers are then used to fill the stock body and barrel channels and inlets created in the filler by power tools like milling machines or router set ups , both cnc and manual.
A stock maker with cnc milling routing capability can then pretty much create whatever inlet he has a program for.
I do things much differently and produce a very high temperature cured stock that comes out of the mold as a drop in fit unit, requiring no fillers. Fillers are added to recesses where weight is desired to balance an action or to dampen recoil. This all made possible by a process called VRTM and uses very advanced resins capable of withstanding 540F and impervious to vibration, moisture ect. One of the cool jobs i picked up last year was to mold a large cog gear in aluminum, carbon and aramid as well as 3, 15 foot long one piece wind turbine blades. Was a cool project that turned out awesome and really opened my eyes to how a process like that can really change the way a rifle stock could be made if one took the thinking out of the box a little.
Now, this is not an add, I'm going to ignore any message i get asking about my stocks as really, I'm not making stocks for sale and have only made them for friends hunting rifles. The results however, have been pretty damn exceptional LOL
I am however interested in hearing what canadians are looking for and what they would like to be paying. I mean heck, if everyone is okay with paying 800 for a rifle stock as good or better than a mcmillan...... there's some good money to be made hehehehe
If you produce stocks better then mcmillan for 800 bucks you will be overloaded with the demand. News spreads fast in the shooting community and won't be long before you get orders from around the world. To reach that market you however would have to produce many different models with different options which would me time consuming and costly.
If you did start out with a model similar to the A5 I know a lot of people who would be interested.
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Synthetic on a 99? Like a satellite dish on a steam-locomotive!
when i say "better than" mcmillan..... i should clarify because I'm not saying it to boast. Better than simply refers to the properties of the end product due to the process used to create it. Googling various processes you can see the differences between hand lay up vacuum tech, dry pack resin infusion or RTM and advanced VRTM ect. The parts I make are either dry packed closed molds where the resins are infused by vacuum and sometimes pump assist depending on complexity, but all the precut materials, fittings ect are in that mold when it's closed, prior to introduction of the resin. After that process the mold is cured under heat and vacuum and here is where resin properties can be manipulated. The other process I use , and is for very complex components like gear/cogs is prewetted with high end epoxy held in B stage. This is next level stuff and where the industry is growing in leaps and bounds. Using the VRTM process coupled with prepreg materials and a programmed composite curing oven..... yes I believe the end product would be superior to a rifle stock made by any other method save for maybe the thermoset resin with press molding technology. I think there is one guy, a canadian, using that method.
anyhow, I won't bore you all anymore but composites fascinate me so can't keep my mouth shut as not many folks i know discuss these things haha. We'll see if I can do some costing and see if it's worth it for me to go down the stock making road again. I kinda like keeping things simple and work when i want to so I could end up being one of those "difficult to deal with" kind of guys..... or not..... hahaha
