BCL102 dust cover issue

Wow... if this simple detail/part was overlooked, what else is ? Will wait for more positive "out of the box" reviews as well as some proof of QC...

And putting a spacer ?!?! Common what kind of an answer is that ?

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DT741 said:
Wow... if this simple detail/part was overlooked, what else is ? Will wait for more positive "out of the box" reviews as well as some proof of QC...

And putting a spacer ?!?! Common what kind of an answer is that ?
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a spacer would stop the dust cover from moving back and forth negating the designed in feature of being able to open the dust cover without cycling the bolt...... its not a qc issue, it is a user not understanding the thought behind the design issue.

get a spacer if it bugs you, problem solved.
 
How many people actually close their dust cover anyways ?

This is my first rifle with one, and so far I just leave the cover flapped open, I'm honestly tempted to remove it altogether but it's not in the way when open, so why bother.
 
"so you can slide it forward to open it...."
WHY would anyone want that as a feature? Makes no sense at all...and a pretty poor excuse for sloppy work if they are going to use standardized dust covers. Now if they made their own dust covers to fit the oversized ejection ports that might fly as a "feature" nobody wants...
It's the same issue from day 1...why can't they make stuff in spec?
 
Way back in the days and I mean way back, before most of you where even born, the very first Colt AR's (SP1's) came for sale in Canada with what everyone thought was the exact same issue.

Then later in the mid to late 80's converted auto Armalite AR10's came into Canada with mostly damaged ejection port covers.

About this same time I used to tour the U.S. gun show circuit, buying parts and building custom Ar's.

One part that alway's caught my eye was an oversized ejection port cover.

Well,, I bought my fare share for replacement on SP1's and the AR10's

I wonder if they still make them?????????????

BTW,,,, Colt's quality control back then made anything that NEA suffered pretty dam insignificant right up into the early 90's.

Just ask me, I have had hundreds pass through my hands for work and repairs.

and guess what I own now,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "NEA's" and one DPMS that had a tour of IRAQ.

I get real tired of all the "NEA Bashing"

All the big boys names in manufacturing suffered the same, just long before you guys where even around.

Back in my Camp Perry days, early 90's, there sure was a lot of the same talk as I was friends with most of the "on sight military armorer's"

I even had the opportunity to meet the Gentleman himself "Carlos Hathcock" and what a Gentleman he was.

Guess what company out of Kitchener, Ontario had teething problems in the early days????

I will give you a hint, a name that starts with a D and ended with a O

Yes Sir, the AR God, Diemaco!!!!!

The very first C7's had lots of issues, believe me.

I have been around for a while.
 
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I’m guessing they went this route to keep the port as long as possible since rifles like the gii have lengthened the port to increase reliable ejection. That being said I never thought about having to open the dust cover without charging the rifle. Probably because you don’t need to. The dust cover will pop open when the BCG slides back to eject the round. The same way the dust cover will also pop open when charging the rifle or when releasing the bolt. I’ve fired AR rifle with the door closed on the first shot and had no issues. Pretty much everyone taught non range use of an AR does this. So this may be a “feature” that shouldn’t be there. A flush centered dust cover is preferable.

The only possible reason I can see for wanting this "feature" would be to check the status of the firearm, IE if the bolt is forward or not, ie a round chambered. But still, you would just eject the mag and lock the bolt back anyways to ensure the firearm is safe. Any ready to go state of the AR is bolt forward, safety on.

Hey Ryan, I would recommend to them that they ship these with the spacers installed or produce a slightly bigger dust cover. If they think that's a feature, they are wrong. Would it be possible if they aren't willing to do this, to contact you to ensure mine comes with the spacers on it?

Thanks

That being said this isn't a deal breaker for me. With the dust cover in the middle it looks fine. I can actually live with that. Plus there are other options if I decide it is an issue. But... keep in mind I want to keep this rifle as stock as possible. I'm not looking to have to DILLIGAF it!!
 
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DiabeticKripple said:
Seems to me like they machined the ejection port opening too far back. You can actually see the back of the bolt carrier.
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Being able to see the back of the Bolt carrier (not actually the back) is normal. It looks like it might be slightly further back but only a tiny bit if at all. but that's not inconsistent with the newest types of AR308 rifles as a longer ejection port has been shown to help avoid ejection issues.
 
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cigar_man said:
Way back in the days and I mean way back, before most of you where even born, the very first Colt AR's (SP1's) came for sale in Canada with what everyone thought was the exact same issue.

Then later in the mid to late 80's converted auto Armalite AR10's came into Canada with mostly damaged ejection port covers.

About this same time I used to tour the U.S. gun show circuit, buying parts and building custom Ar's.

One part that alway's caught my eye was an oversized ejection port cover.

Well,, I bought my fare share for replacement on SP1's and the AR10's

I wonder if they still make them?????????????

BTW,,,, Colt's quality control back then made anything that NEA suffered pretty dam insignificant right up into the early 90's.

Just ask me, I have had hundreds pass through my hands for work and repairs.

and guess what I own now,,,,,,,,,,,,,, "NEA's" and one DPMS that had a tour of IRAQ.

I get real tired of all the "NEA Bashing"

All the big boys names in manufacturing suffered the same, just long before you guys where even around.

Back in my Camp Perry days, early 90's, there sure was a lot of the same talk as I was friends with most of the "on sight military armorer's"

I even had the opportunity to meet the Gentleman himself "Carlos Hathcock" and what a Gentleman he was.

Guess what company out of Kitchener, Ontario had teething problems in the early days????

I will give you a hint, a name that starts with a D and ended with a O

Yes Sir, the AR God, Diemaco!!!!!

The very first C7's had lots of issues, believe me.

I have been around for a while.
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NEA has been around for 10 years, making a product that's been around for 60 years...
They should have their teething issues sorted out by now.
I'm 0/4 on NEA parts BTW, I kept thinking they got #### figured out and went back for more failed QC.
1st was an AR15 bolt that failed on the 3rd shot fired.
2nd was a barrel bored visibly off center.
3rd was an upper with the gap all around the dust cover.
4th was a muzzle brake with a huge tooling gouge out of the front of it.
SFRC was great in making it right, but none of those items ever should have left NEA.
 
Chemist said:
The dust cover locks up in the centre. You can push it forward or backwards to release it. You don't need to pull the bolt back to open the dust cover. Should you wish remove this, you can put a spacer at either end...at least that is my understanding. Remember this isn't an AR10/AR15.

If you have an issue with the firearm or with anything feel free to drop BCL an email, they will correct any issues that may arise...it has a life time warranty. Doug usually gets back to people very quickly...he handles all warranty issues for BCL.

Ryan
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This seems more or less a fluke rather than by-design. As far as contacting BCL, sure they get back to you, but you have to pay to get the rifle back to them and this gets very expensive and time consuming for something that they should have caught before they left the factory. Where is their QA/QC?

TinkerBell said:
a spacer would stop the dust cover from moving back and forth negating the designed in feature of being able to open the dust cover without cycling the bolt...... its not a qc issue, it is a user not understanding the thought behind the design issue.

get a spacer if it bugs you, problem solved.
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Would you just stick a cedar shake or a door wed in your dash board to hold the radio in place on your new car or truck? You don't really need the radio to make the car work...but you paid for it to fit in place without McGivering it to make up for a #### up on the OEM's part.

I guess, I'm kind of crazy or too fussy when it comes down to things; would you be willing to supply the spacers and mail them out to everyone? I think that this should be a BCL thing or they should buy back the uppers and replace them.

Th
 
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NEA has been around for 10 years, making a product that's been around for 60 years...
They should have their teething issues sorted out by now.
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I totally agree with you and I'm not trying to create a sheet storm, but you saw that I posted, BTW,,,, Colt's quality control back then made anything that NEA suffered pretty dam insignificant right up into the early 90's.

Thats a lot more than ten years, more like 30+ years.

I even had Colt Manufactured HBAR's where the bullets would tumble dam near it seemed from the muzzle, but the rifling was just pooched.

I have had many face to faces with Colt Engineers over the years at Camp Perry.

Guess who was building flatt top AR's before they where even introduced?

We cut off the carrying handles and bolted on weaver style rails.

Low and behold, about 2 years later, they where on the market.

I'm not saying I had anything to do with that, but they Boyz in Camp Perry sure took notice when I was there.

Believe it or not, almost all the same issues NEA has endured, Colt was there first.

Here is a short list of Colt failures;

shattering bolt carriers,

fwd assists breaking off during firing,

flash hiders shattering,

parts that just looked like they where made in the Khyber Pass,

disfigured stocks

I could go on for hours.

It was not just Colt, but, DPMS, Armalite,,,,,

The AR - M16 series was around for a long time when Diemaco was in full swing.

Yes, they had some serious issues that I saw first hand.

My information flow never ended.

As I just posted in another thread;

My buddy that I did Basic with stayed in long after I left the Forces.

He was a Weapons Tech for over 27 years.
 
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Hitzy said:
NEA has been around for 10 years, making a product that's been around for 60 years...
They should have their teething issues sorted out by now.
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NEA put our their first AR-15 rifles in December 2011, exactly 6 years ago. Not making excuses for them, just keeping the record straight.
 
cigar_man said:
I totally agree with you and I'm not trying to create a sheet storm, but you saw that I posted, BTW,,,, Colt's quality control back then made anything that NEA suffered pretty dam insignificant right up into the early 90's.

Thats a lot more than ten years, more like 30+ years.

I even had Colt Manufactured HBAR's where the bullets would tumble dam near it seemed from the muzzle, but the rifling was just pooched.

I have had many face to faces with Colt Engineers over the years at Camp Perry.

Guess who was building flatt top AR's before they where even introduced?

We cut off the carrying handles and bolted on weaver style rails.

Low and behold, about 2 years later, they where on the market.

I'm not saying I had anything to do with that, but they Boyz in Camp Perry sure took notice when I was there.

Believe it or not, almost all the same issues NEA has endured, Colt was there first.

Here is a short list of Colt failures;

shattering bolt carriers,

fwd assists breaking off during firing,

flash hiders shattering,

parts that just looked like they where made in the Khyber Pass,

disfigured stocks

I could go on for hours.

It was not just Colt, but, DPMS, Armalite,,,,,

The AR - M16 series was around for a long time when Diemaco was in full swing.

Yes, they had some serious issues that I saw first hand.

My information flow never ended.

As I just posted in another thread;

My buddy that I did Basic with stayed in long after I left the Forces.

He was a Weapons Tech for over 27 years.
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I get your points, but that was a different era of manufacturing. Now, a company can put out a high quality product as a start up, PSA, Aero, Spikes, Rainier, etc. Even Daniel Defense is one of the top tiers and is only 15 years old... there is a long list of brand new (US) companies that got into the game in the last 5-15 years and had a lot of success because they made quality products from the start.
 
Runningfool said:
NEA put our their first AR-15 rifles in December 2011, exactly 6 years ago. Not making excuses for them, just keeping the record straight.
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Thanks, I was just going by their website info...
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