BC Grizzly Hunts over except for the First Nation people!

If this is anything like the spring bear hunt ban we had here, expect to see bear populations rise and problem bear encounters to increase. Conservation officers are likely over worked and under manned and do not have time to deal with all of the bears so the result will be landowners killing problem bears and using the good old SSS method to remove said bears. It will end up costing taxpayers, landowners, and insurance companies more money to deal with the bear issues rather than the government and guides making money by allowing hunters to control numbers. Those working in the industry will need to convert to guiding for other animals or find another way to earn an income. They'll have to sell off all their gear at a huge loss with no compensation.

Then 10-15 years after the ban people will finally realize it was such a big mistake that they'll try to reinstate the hunt after bear control and income lost is in the millions. Eventually it'll happen, but by then the damage is already done. Outfitters will have closed up shop so hunters have nowhere to return, landowners will continue to SSS bears, and it'll take years for thing's to get back to how they should have been before the hunt was banned.


Don't lose hope though. If the spring bear hunt can be reinstated in the lieberal utopia of Ontario, there is hope for you guys to get your hunt back.
 
tigrr said:
It will be interesting 5 years down the road if it is true that the old boars kill off the cubs to bring the sow back in heat. Then the population crashes because of snowflake intervention.
Never worry about the grizzly killing to many cows in BC and AB the ranchers have been dealing with them the same way for years.
I would like the grizzly to be put on the same tag system as a black bear. I wouldn't mind shooting a grizzly mountain bear for the meat. I hear it is quite tasty.
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300 bears a year, the majority of which come from the coast, would have very little impact on livestock mortality.

Seems a lot of people are trying to find ways that this ban will go bad. I don't see it going that way, I forsee there being limited impact beyond the lost jobs and hunting opportunities. 300 bears out of a population of 15000 just doesn't seem like enough to make a major impact on the things people are suggesting in this thread.
 
I just love the in-depth explanations and justifications for just absolutely needing to hunt grizzlies. I love how "selective" hunters pretend like they care about the species and conservation and sustainability when in reality the trophy is #1 and everything else is second. I see right through it. Natives are still allowed to hunt grizzlies (as they should be) so this whole population control thing likely won't be nearly as big an issue as it's made out to be.
 
canadian hunter312 said:
If this is anything like the spring bear hunt ban we had here, expect to see bear populations rise and problem bear encounters to increase. Conservation officers are likely over worked and under manned and do not have time to deal with all of the bears so the result will be landowners killing problem bears and using the good old SSS method to remove said bears. It will end up costing taxpayers, landowners, and insurance companies more money to deal with the bear issues rather than the government and guides making money by allowing hunters to control numbers. Those working in the industry will need to convert to guiding for other animals or find another way to earn an income. They'll have to sell off all their gear at a huge loss with no compensation.

Then 10-15 years after the ban people will finally realize it was such a big mistake that they'll try to reinstate the hunt after bear control and income lost is in the millions. Eventually it'll happen, but by then the damage is already done. Outfitters will have closed up shop so hunters have nowhere to return, landowners will continue to SSS bears, and it'll take years for thing's to get back to how they should have been before the hunt was banned.


Don't lose hope though. If the spring bear hunt can be reinstated in the lieberal utopia of Ontario, there is hope for you guys to get your hunt back.
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Its hard to draw parallels between the (comparatively) densely populated southern Ontario and the wilds of the BC coast and Rocky Mountains. What you say might be right, but then again I bet the old spring bear hunt downed a lot more than 300 bears yearly...
 
patriot1 said:
I just love the in-depth explanations and justifications for just absolutely needing to hunt grizzlies. I love how "selective" hunters pretend like they care about the species and conservation and sustainability when in reality the trophy is #1 and everything else is second. I see right through it. Natives are still allowed to hunt grizzlies (as they should be) so this whole population control thing likely won't be nearly as big an issue as it's made out to be.
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You're entitled to an opinion even if it is totally wrong.
 
Suther said:
300 bears a year, the majority of which come from the coast, would have very little impact on livestock mortality.

Seems a lot of people are trying to find ways that this ban will go bad. I don't see it going that way, I forsee there being limited impact beyond the lost jobs and hunting opportunities. 300 bears out of a population of 15000 just doesn't seem like enough to make a major impact on the things people are suggesting in this thread.
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patriot1 said:
I just love the in-depth explanations and justifications for just absolutely needing to hunt grizzlies. I love how "selective" hunters pretend like they care about the species and conservation and sustainability when in reality the trophy is #1 and everything else is second. I see right through it. Natives are still allowed to hunt grizzlies (as they should be) so this whole population control thing likely won't be nearly as big an issue as it's made out to be.
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The ban is now province wide.
This ban is not science based, period. This ban is based on political ideology, greed, sense of entitlement and "feelings". That is why this ban is wrong on several levels. Tip of the spear when it comes to hunting in this province.
 
StoneHorse said:
The ban is now province wide.
This ban is not science based, period. This ban is based on political ideology, greed, sense of entitlement and "feelings". That is why this ban is wrong on several levels. Tip of the spear when it comes to hunting in this province.
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How is it based on political ideology or greed?

You say tip of the spear, I'm not so sure about that. This isn't the first time the grizz hunt was closed. I don't recall any other attempts to limit what we can hunt (unless you consider the liberals and how they screwed the resident hunter via the way they allotted tags to outfitters)
 
Wondering how many tax dollars the dippers got set aside to compensate the guide outfitters?
Might be a win for the outfitters and the first nations people.
 
I'll agree that non resident hunters probably took most of their bears in coastal areas but a significant number were taken in interior areas as well, many sheep, goat, caribou and moose guides have strong huntable populations of grizzlies. I believe if the figures were available we would find that most grizzlies ( and they may be in the majority overall) taken by residents were incidental to a moose hunt and in interior areas. All of the guiding businesses that offered grizzly hunts have now lost a good portion of their business, many will go bankrupt because they can't even sell that business now. In many cases they have a huge investment involving cabins, jet boats, float planes, trail cutting improvements, advertising, etc and have lost it all without any consultation or compensation, all at the stroke of a pen and strictly for political reasons. This is throwing a bone to the Green party and other environmental groups after angering them by continuing the site C dam project.
This isn't the end of the story. These groups passionately want to stop all hunting and the most effective way after getting a sympathetic government elected is to shut down one species or area at a time. They are already mentioning protecting the "spirit Bear" ( kermodei) which has been totally protected in BC for over 40 years. Black bears, wolves of course, caribou, mountain goats and mountain sheep, deer, who knows which is next but this encourages them to target another species. Make no mistake, the envirothugs all over Canada and the USA are dancing with glee now and encouraged because of this success. They have been teaching this mindset in our schools for over 30 years and it's bearing fruit.
It digusts me that the northern Fish and Game clubs along with the Northern Guides and Outfitters Association started warning the BC Wildlife Federation about this trend many years ago and were ignored because "oh, it only affects the guides" and "it will never happen" and " who needs to shoot a grizzly anyway?" Well it's reality and it will spread like cancer if we let it. And for all you others across Canada that don't have these more exotic species, if you ever dream of a mountain sheep or caribou hunt you'd better do it soon, your best chance for the once in a lifetime grizzly hunt has now evaporated.
 
Did the MNR or anyone else state the maximum number of grizzly bears that will be allowed in BC before a cull is called?

I assume there is a maximum number a grizzlies that BC can sustain?~

Thanks,

TDM
 
patriot1 said:
I just love the in-depth explanations and justifications for just absolutely needing to hunt grizzlies. I love how "selective" hunters pretend like they care about the species and conservation and sustainability when in reality the trophy is #1 and everything else is second. I see right through it. Natives are still allowed to hunt grizzlies (as they should be) so this whole population control thing likely won't be nearly as big an issue as it's made out to be.
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Nobody "needs" to hunt anything. There is a very viable, huntable population just as with the many other game species in BC. Management to be based on facts rather than emotion, otherwise everything is on the table. Especially if you base opportunities on "need" alone.
 
StoneHorse said:
Are you serious? Show me where the science is supporting this province wide ban.
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Not being scientifically backed has what to do with greed? You are absolutely right about the feelings part at least... This is a simple public opinion matter. The public as a whole really didn't like it.

The Province (the newspaper) has suggested it is also related to Site C, win the rural vote with that, then win back the hippies with the bear ban.
 
I believe that they stopped the Grizzly hunt was because they decided to proceed with the site C dam which the Greens opposed along with the Grizzly hunt, so it was a bone thrown to the Greens. I find it so interesting that the Greens where so against the site C dam, since the elected members are on Vancouver Island which has the mildest climate in BC and they are all for conservation, also if in the next twenty years most vehicles will be electric how the hell do they think it is it going to be generated!
 
It's not science based, the NDP/Greens were at least up front about that. Hunting grizzlies has had no negative effect on grizzly populations for decades. It's all politically driven, all about the feelings of urban voters.

And it's also about the Site C dam, that they approved, which sent thier supporters into a tizzy, so they needed to deflect.

There is no question that grizly and human conflicts will increase. It's not just that there are an extra 250-300 grizzlies that don't get shot by hunters per year, it's that bear behaviour changes when they don't fear humans any more.

This is absolutely the tip of the spear. When wildlife decisions are based on urban voters feelings and not science, there is nothing to stop them from "feeling" that we shouldn't hunt wolves, sheep or black bears. Or anything else for that matter...
 
I grew up with, went to school with, worked with and associate with many FN people. People I talk to find their skinned carcasses too human looking. I have only met one who shot a grizzly bear and he claims that was in self defense. The C.O. tried to make a fuss about it and he claimed FSC rights. Funny. He wasn't even in his traditional territory.

Then he had a full body mount made.

A trophy to FSC hunting I guess.
 
I totally agree with Gatehouse,they needed a sop to throw to the Greens and this gave them something to get them off their back after the site C dam decision ...political correctness and votes will always trump facts and scientific study.Hunters are minority ,not organized and don't carry any political weight and are therefore expendable ....I fully expect the urban environmentalists who have never set foot in the bush will try to make Hunting so complicated with so many hoops to jump through they will win the battle by attrition and they won't stop until every hunter is eating tofu and doing yoga outdoors...

But just so you know,my hunting partner is a surgeon on parts where the Sun don't shine,and he says he sees far more cancers of the gut than he ever saw in SA....puts it down to all the hormones in animal feed and that's the reason why he hunts - natural meat from deer and moose eating what God meant them to eat...browse and grass -not carefully designed factory produced food laced with growth enhancing hormones designed to put on weight....
 
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" BC Grizzly Hunts over except for the First Nation people! "

So, when this rumor first appeared several months ago I said this would happen.

You'll all eventually be able to go out and kill a GB, just not in the GB Rain Forest and where one will be able to hunt them with a gun you will have to have someone from the reserve guiding you.

Well, the costs will be even more outrageous than they are now.

Whats so hard to fathom with that?
 
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