Garrison Petawawa PR Clinic 24-25 March 2018 Debrief Here!!

Hi Barney,

Been a hunter & pistol shooter for a while now, but have recently become more interested in long distance/precision shooting - I would be what you describe in one of your posts as a totally RAW beginner...lol…

I’ve read through several of your threads, including the ‘Precision Rifle Match Preparation’ thread (an excellent read!) as well as the answers to other questions posted here, and found answers to quite a few of the questions I had, but I still have a couple of totally ‘noob’ questions I hope you can take the time to answer…

Re rifle/scope setup - I use a heavy barrel Tikka T3 Varmint in .243 currently topped with a Vortex Viper HS 4-16x50 for coyote. I am seriously considering upgrading the scope to a FFP Viper PST Gen II 5-25x50. With this scope upgrade, would this be an acceptable setup to get my feet wet? Is the caliber restriction at Petawawa limited to either .223 or .308, or are calibers between the two such as .243 allowable?

Re ammo – I shoot 85gr Nosler Trophy Grade ammo in my .243 - is this ammo (or other premium grade factory ammo) and the manufacturers ballistics info good enough to get started?

Re box test – Just wanted to confirm that this is where (using the same point of aim for all shots) you shoot one shot, then go a predetermined distance – let’s say 2” - up, shoot one shot, then go 2” to the right, shoot one shot, then go 2” down, shoot one shot, and then go 2” to the left and shoot your 5th and final shot. If the scope is working correctly, the 5th/last shot should be in the same spot as the first.

Thanks!

John
 
Tagged for future reference.

N/A for this one Barney but hopefully you’ll offer one next year I can make.

You guys have a great PR wknd and enjoy Danny’s Steak House!
 
Milkbone96:

Sadly your 243 ain’t kosher with Range Control and caliber templates. So that conversation is a non-starter.

Here’s my way around Range Contol’s Caliber restrictions; I purchased a new rifle from my sponsor, Wolverine Supplies. It’s an Accuracy International AT in 308 and it features the Quick Change barrel using a 4mm hex key... I keep the 308 barrel on the receiver for Garrison Petawawa shoots and now I’m shopping for a 260 custom barrel to be fitted on the same receiver. This allows me a switch barrel arrangement. Easy Peasy..... Your gunsmith can steer you along this path. Have a chat with your professional gun builder! :cool:


The Vortex scope with the FFP technology is the way to proceed and one of these days you will appreciate that FFP advantage when you begin your steel shooting PRS journey.

Regarding that box test, yes that’s basically how it runs. All of you will have this chance at my PR clinic. Then we can compare scopes. Just like we compare spotting scopes on the mound. People have reported back to me telling how helpful that exercise was for their spotting scope shopping purposes

There did I answer them all?

Cheers, Barney
 
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TacticalTeacher said:
Milkbone96:

Sadly your 243 ain’t kosher with Range Control and caliber templates. So that conversation is a non-starter.

Here’s my way around Range Contol’s Caliber restrictions; I purchased a new rifle from my sponsor, Wolverine Supplies. It’s an Accuracy International AT in 308 and it features the Quick Change barrel using a 4mm hex key... I keep the 308 barrel on the receiver for Garrison Petawawa shoots and now I’m shopping for a 260 custom barrel to be fitted on the same receiver. This allows me a switch barrel arrangement. Easy Peasy..... Your gunsmith can steer you along this path. Have a chat with your professional gun builder! :cool:

The Vortex scope with the FFP technology is the way to proceed and one of these days you will appreciate that FFP advantage when you begin your steel shooting PRS journey.

Regarding that box test, yes that’s basically how it runs. All of you will have this chance at my PR clinic. Then we can compare scopes. Just like we compare spotting scopes on the mound. People have reported back to me telling how helpful that exercise was for their spotting scope shopping purposes

There did I answer them all?

Cheers, Barney
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Hi Barney,

Yes, you answered my questions, and thanks very much for the reply & info!

Although that AI solution from Wolverine would be awesome, the cost of the gun plus scope is well beyond the "I'm really really REALLY sorry, Dear" threshold. However, with Boxing Day sales less than a week away, another Tikka T3x Varmint (or perhaps the TAC A1) in .308 plus the Vortex FFP scope might just fall within the Apology Zone... hmmm... ;)
 
EMT sent.

Box test question was answered.

Also for scope I can bring. Leupold VX6 w Plex reticle only... No BDC or I can put the Burris Eliminator 3 with the fancy reticle etc. (I can keep the batteries out to learn)

Your advice would help on deciding which to put on the 308 savage 10TR.

Thanks
 
ClintH and Shotgun, your EMT deposits are good to go. Warm thanks for that.

Shotgun, that VX6 does it have target turrets? A duplex reticle in this game will get the job done. Bring on the questions.....

Folks....I don’t know what my internet signal is gonna be like in Tamarindo, Costa Rica at the villa so I will be trying to stay in touch via this means...flying out tomorrow Friday 22 December, stay warm and safe, and dry!

Merry Christmas and Happy Harmonica! :wave:

Cheers, Barney
 
TacticalTeacher said:
ClintH and Shotgun, your EMT deposits are good to go. Warm thanks for that.

Shotgun, that VX6 does it have target turrets? A duplex reticle in this game will get the job done. Bring on the questions.....
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Hi Barney

Thanks for confirmation. Well the turrets have covers but they can be removed and then they're hand turned dials in MOA. 0.25MOA clicks.

These are the CDS capable turrets. No coin operations.

The Burris is the same. Except of course it's supposed to be automated once properly dialed in. Hmm maybe I'll bring it and see if I can hit at 750yds.. calibrate the auto feature lol

Lemme know. Thanks
 
Wow...not a PR shooter myself but if I was this clinic sounds like it would be fun and a great learning tool/experience.
 
I guess this clinic, on this date in March, being in up in Pet, will potentially have people reciting "I shoot better in the snow, I shoot better in the snow".
Just a thought, would it be prudent to replace the sunscreen and bug dope on the list for stuff to bring with hand warmers, etc,... ? :)
Cheers.
 
El_Monty457 said:
I guess this clinic, on this date in March, being in up in Pet, will potentially have people reciting "I shoot better in the snow, I shoot better in the snow".
Just a thought, would it be prudent to replace the sunscreen and bug dope on the list for stuff to bring with hand warmers, etc,... ? :)
Cheers.
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Weather? You only need : Sight picture, Sight picture, Sight picture!:evil:

Elmonty: got your EMT. Great thanks.

Yes always be ready for the weather; that said I would bring my snowshoes. Chalkriver4 will remember using a snowshoe to rest the GPMG Pintle on while providing cornering fire. The MG tripod was permanently mounted to my weapons det toboggan. I had to provide covering fire for my sections flanking.

There were three of us in the PPCLI Weapons Det callsign 31...they were: me , myself , and I. :cool:

So when I was told to set up a Machine Gun somewhere up the hill and in the tree line, I lifted the GPMG off the toboggan pintle and a couple of belts of ammo and one snowshoe from my rucksack... and this wonderful experience opened me up to the possibilities of an undergrad degree in Science at the University of Alberta. :wave:

Bring snowshoes for the PR clinic. Enough said... Hahahaha
 
Well, I suppose I may be todays (and March's) challenge. Newbie here and would love to tag along. Not new to firearms, just new to long range. I have a couple small calibre set ups however I believe the following may be best suited as it has the best scope.
Savage 10TR 24" barrel with brake, Vortex Viper 6.5X20X50. Will that work? I don't have an Anemometer so will need to acquire one. Majority of the my outdoor clothing is hunting related so it's all camo. Is there still room?

cheers,
 
Hey guys,

Looking forward to getting out in March to help out with the clinic. I have been shooting PR for the past 5 years and running the matches the last two season for the ORA. So have a few tips and tricks I can pass on. Would be great if we can get a few hours of barricade work in as well.

Cheers
Ryan
 
It will be nice having you up here again Ryan. We purchased some new steel targets ..have you seen them on our facebook page ?
I will be bringing a bunch of steel and some equip and barricades .We will probably have a chance to use them while Barney runs the classroom portion the first day and they will be set up for Sunday as well. And if anyone is bringing a restricted firearm they will need to send me a pm so I can get a letter of invitation out to them. As well if anyone wants any local info or maps let me know.
 
Northern Amateur said:
Well, I suppose I may be todays (and March's) challenge. Newbie here and would love to tag along. Not new to firearms, just new to long range. I have a couple small calibre set ups however I believe the following may be best suited as it has the best scope.
Savage 10TR 24" barrel with brake, Vortex Viper 6.5X20X50. Will that work? I don't have an Anemometer so will need to acquire one. Majority of the my outdoor clothing is hunting related so it's all camo. Is there still room?

cheers,
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Use my Kestrel 2000 ni big deal. Your Savage and Vortex setup sounds good to go...I’m assuming your Savage is a 308, life is good. Lots of room. EMT away.

And yes Ryan Saturday morning is a perfect chance for the experienced shooters to let loose on some steel. Concurrent activity we call it. We will be doing class room stuff all Saturday morning. It’s a great use of time and resources...

It’s 35 Celsius here in Tamarindo Bay, Costa Rica and I’ve got just enough strength in this sickness to raise a glass of local Imperial beer! Uno cerveza por favor!

Happy new year!,
 
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