AHH well if they don't know the right answer who in the hell does. They are the ones and only ones to call since it falls under them
Cheers
Making ammunition for friends?
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AHH well if they don't know the right answer who in the hell does. They are the ones and only ones to call since it falls under them
Cheers
How about this and you worry about legality. I would be more worried about where I am going to sleep after I lose my house from reloads I did and let others shoot
How about this and you worry about legality. I would be more worried about where I am going to sleep after I lose my house from reloads I did and let others shoot
In the grand scheme of things, wouldn't you rather have someone else shoot this reload?
That was written in 1998 by Ed Burlew and is no long applicable. The Act and Regs were revised about 2013.
Thanks, we will all sleep better now.
Like I said, people should do what they are comfortable with.
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Which brings up the question of what does "personal use" include, since manufacture for compensation is clearly dealt with in another section.
How about this and you worry about legality. I would be more worried about where I am going to sleep after I lose my house from reloads I did and let others shoot
Why did you make ammunition that blew up that rifle?
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I don’t reload yet but I’ve been researching it and hoping to get started. Whats the economics of reloading? From what I’ve matched up it seems like a typical rifle round is going to be $0.06 for a primer, ~$0.35 for powder and $0.30-$0.45 for a bullet, then reused brass ends up being like $0.80 typical average? What kind of shooter is the guy? If he’s a 1 box a year hunter type and he buys components what’s he going to save? 20 reloads is $16, factory box is $23-$30 for a savings of $14/year tops? Seems like a lot of work and hassle for that... if you have him buy a set of dies it’ll be years before he saves anything.
If I’m the other hand the guy is a regular shooter and wants you to either reload a ton of rounds or work up super accurate ammo for a rifle that seems like a big ask as far as time and effort investment. Helping and teaching a guy to do his own reloads is different tho.
If I’m the other hand the guy is a regular shooter and wants you to either reload a ton of rounds or work up super accurate ammo for a rifle that seems like a big ask as far as time and effort investment. Helping and teaching a guy to do his own reloads is different tho.
It all depends on how much and how important it is to the individual. Speaking for myself, saving about 60 cents per round times 17K rounds for 1 calibre alone makes it quite financially worthwhile so far. Having another aspect of firearms to play with as I want is also very enjoyable. But as far as reloading for anyone else, that would make it start to seem like work so legalities aside, I wouldn't be interested.
Factory box of ammo $23-$30? Decent '06 ammo starts at $45. 338 closer to $65.
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I would teach them how to do it, and let them be responsible for what they make.
^^^^^ This for several different calibers. My 444 Marlin costs me about $0.88 to reload (my fired brass) with a 265 grain vs. $66.00 for 20/box for the Remmie 240 grain thin jacket (~$3.30 + tax per round on factory loads). Plus I get a round which suits MY rifles, not a "load for the masses". I don't save anything in the greater scheme of things, 'cause I end up shooting more.
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Don’t get me wrong, I totally understand the reasons behind reloading for yourself. I’m just looking at this from the point of view of the guy who wants his friend to reload for him. Like if you only want a couple boxes you could save the money by shopping around and buying on sale then selling your spent brass because you can only save so much on 1 or 2 boxes or whatever. If you shoot big golumenit completely makes sense to reload for yourself but it doesn’t seem very friendly to ask someone else to do that for you for free. Reloading a big volume of generic pistol rounds or working up a set of loads and shooting a ladder and then dialing in your dies and doing an accuracy load is a lot of work to ask for when most people don’t have enough time to do their own stuff.
Like a friend asks their mechanic friend to change an air filter or headlight for them is fine, I would say the guy maybe isn’t much of a friend when he’s asking for a free engine rebuild... Reloads are even worse than other stuff because of the liability aspect. The other side of it is I was quite surprised at the price of entry when I first started seriously looking into reloads. I thought it would be $1k minimum to get going but was pleasantly surprised to find out you can get started for closer to $300. If I had a friend asking who maybe didn’t understand how much goes into it I’d be encouraging them to start themselves.
Edit: I was looking at ammo prices for common calibers in standard grade ammo. Premium stuff will be more obviously but your reload cost will go up with premium bullets and brass too. Less common stuff is more money too, but then why are you shooting uncommon stuff if you can’t reload?
Like a friend asks their mechanic friend to change an air filter or headlight for them is fine, I would say the guy maybe isn’t much of a friend when he’s asking for a free engine rebuild... Reloads are even worse than other stuff because of the liability aspect. The other side of it is I was quite surprised at the price of entry when I first started seriously looking into reloads. I thought it would be $1k minimum to get going but was pleasantly surprised to find out you can get started for closer to $300. If I had a friend asking who maybe didn’t understand how much goes into it I’d be encouraging them to start themselves.
Edit: I was looking at ammo prices for common calibers in standard grade ammo. Premium stuff will be more obviously but your reload cost will go up with premium bullets and brass too. Less common stuff is more money too, but then why are you shooting uncommon stuff if you can’t reload?
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While the "good" ammo is more expensive, I betcha far more animals go down to federal blue box, winchester super x, or rem core lokts compared to the higher end stuff. People have been killing stuff with basic cup and core bullets for over a century. While a premium bullet gives you better capability for bad angles or hitting bone, most game animals will drop quickly to a boiler room shot from any typical hunting caliber.
If you're going to compare to the "good" stuff, you've got to adjust your math. You don't get partitions, accubonds ect for $0.30 each, they cost damn near a dollar which takes reloads to around $1.20 each. Still cheaper than federal premium, but not really any cheaper than blue box.
As pointed out above, less common calibers are even more economical. The 444 Marlin example is spot on for the less common stuff.
