Maccabee Defense SLR information and updates
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onetwentyish
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Personally I feel the ACR is one of the most under rated guns of all time. Nothing compares from a features list stand point. The only part that was over-hyped was the factory support, and thats on Bushmaster, and as of lately they have been doing pretty good on making good on their promises. The aftermarket is picking up the slack tho, and there is at least a dozen companies working on products for the ACR which is more than the Tavor that is so popular.
The big thing about the ACR is that for it is extremely expensive to take advantage of the most prominent features on that list - the quick change barrel and caliber conversions. As such, the main selling features doesn't appeal to as many as it could.
To take advantage of the quick change of the SLR or others coming with the same ease as the ACR's drop in assembly you will need multiple complete uppers.
As for cost to those who will actually do this, I don't see an advantage with either choice.
onetwentyish
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This is a great point. In order for any pseudo AR's to offer the same modularity as the ACR, one would need an additional complete upper (not just a barrel and bolt like in the case of the ACR). This is cost prohibitive as well. But on the other hand complete uppers means you are not far of from a complete additional rifle.
My apolgoies, I had read XCR not ACR. My point was in reference to the XCR. That being said, the ACR isn't a great win either. Piston guns are a solution looking for a problem at the expense of weight and handling(balance). Anything Bushmaster makes is likely to be sub par and the ACR is no exception. It's ok but it's nothing special.
Again R34 has it right.
So parts from one source as opposed to parts from nearly every source. The $3000 price tag is still far too high for what you're getting and is more than a moderately high end SLR build.
Why would they not be just as reliable? Using AR guts means using AR internal geometry which means it's a very proven system. Of course this does somewhat depend on the quality of guts being used but that has been discussed in another thread already.. The weight issue is again dependent on the components you use. Unlike the other offerings where you have limited to no control of that the SLR offers complete control.
The same reason Americans buy 1911's, they think it's cool or somehow solves problems that never existed. I've posted before that if most people bought practical products most of the businesses would go belly up. The vast majority of what is for sale is gimmicky junk. It's funny that the Tavor crowd was eager to claim that the Tavor was the latest and greatest in bullpup design. The Tavor was the most advanced rifle out there. But then the X95 came along and it was quite a bit different than the original Tavor (tar 21?). It had rails, a smaller heel on the stock, a better magazine release, more "rail estate", a firing pin return spring which was apparently "not needed" on the original even though the original Tavor had slam fires when chambering but who's checking.. Either way $1600 for the same gun that retails for $2600 up here does not add up. With conversion a retail Tavor in the US should cost a little over $2000 up here. They're over priced and short on features. The better designed AR can be had for $500 but a quality one will cost about double(in the US).
Changing barrels is pointless as you will need to re zero any sighting systems. Swapping tops makes life much easier. Then again how many people are really swapping tops or barrels on the regular and for what reason other than novelty?? The ACR offers nothing over an AR and is almost 2 pounds heavier out of the gate. Yes it has a folding stock but so does nearly every gas piston gun. Another feature that is over hyped and rarely used.
Again, a complete upper means dedicated zeroed optics, no hassle in the swap. Which is still a feature most don't need or use on the regular to make it a big deal.
The SLR is already priced, $1000 for a receiver set. The completed price is entirely up to you.
r34skyline
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Ok since the tavor keeps coming up, is the tavor really that popular in the us? I genuinely never checked but I don't recall it flying off the shelves, or even taking the bullpup crown from the Steyr AUG of course I could be wrong. And unless I'm much mistaken aren't the canadian tavors made in israel whereas for the us gun they had to set up a new factory? So shouldn't ours be less still? Since some of that legwork was already funded by the IDF?
It appears that there are a large number of receiver sets ordered.
It is going to be really interesting to see how this works out. Rifles are going to be assembled using all manner of parts from a wide variety of manufacturers. Quality control is going to be extremely variable. Wonder how many of these creations are going to be trouble free shooters?
It is going to be really interesting to see how this works out. Rifles are going to be assembled using all manner of parts from a wide variety of manufacturers. Quality control is going to be extremely variable. Wonder how many of these creations are going to be trouble free shooters?
This is exactly what I’d like also. You can price up a cheaper model if you wish. Have them assemble and ship to you. Replace parts as your budget allows. I don’t have the tools or know how to build an slr. But I got $2000 to pony up for one shipped to my door ready to run.
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I've been wondering the same thing... I'm guessing a good number don't get built at all. Some will be hacked beyond recognition. A few might work. Fewer still will work well.
I'm yet to put my money down on one. I might time will tell.
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I was wondering exactly the same thing. I'm sure there will be all kinds of 'help needed with SLR' threads here on CGN once they get in the hands of the average customer. This is where the huge AR aftermarket becomes a weakness.
My build will be:
KAC URX 10.75 which should just hopefully show the gas block to give it a mk12 look, I hope it's not too short
Noveske spr
BCM Stock or an a2 fixed stock
BCM Grip
Daniel Defense lower parts kit
Nightforce shv 3-10x
seekins precision comp
KAC URX 10.75 which should just hopefully show the gas block to give it a mk12 look, I hope it's not too short
Noveske spr
BCM Stock or an a2 fixed stock
BCM Grip
Daniel Defense lower parts kit
Nightforce shv 3-10x
seekins precision comp
Hey Mike,not sure if this helps, but the gas block on my MV is 12 1/2 inches ,from end of my hand guard ( KAC URX 4).
That would leave you at 1 3/4 inches back if your using a 10 3/4 handguard.
Of course, that’s if your gas block is positioned in the same place as mine.
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Well, since the Stag Arms A2 rifle kit I ordered is a complete rifle minus the lower receiver, I'm hoping I've got as good a chance as any of ending up with a properly functioning rifle. No mix and match parts from a dozen different manufacturers going into my build. Stag Arms builds a seemingly decent AR so I don't think I should have any issues with the rifle kit.
Providing all the geometries that matter on the MacDef receiver set are in spec with the geometries of the AR-15 there should be no issue, both with parts fitment and with rifle function.
Here's to hoping anyways.
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noveske spr is an intermediate system half between mid and rifle, is yours a rifle length?
