You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us

Wolverine sold 400 CZ58's or whatever just on CGN in 1 day at $1000 a pop couple years back. There is a lot of purchasing power on CGN, far more then we think.
I'm not sure the 2nd batch of T81's will move very quickly given the present issues with the first batch.

Again, those 400 CZ58's were at the end of the CZ production run at a time when a shaddow hung over the 858's FRT status. There was a panic rush on well-priced rifles of a pattern that had been in Canada and widely used & understood for over 10 years. It's apples and oranges.

You can sell a lot of a scarce item that has been around and is well regarded. You can't count on an unknown qty selling as well - it would be bad business to expect that.

Once the first 1000 rifles are out and around and people have a chance to see them, use them at ranges, etc. then folks will make their minds up as to what htey are worth and whether it's worth having one or not. To hear it on CGN, you'd think these were the NEA or early gremlin VZ58 of the chinese firearms lineup. I don't share that view, and my example exceeded my expectations.

I've seen a total of 3 rifles in photos that I would consider unacceptably misaligned and one rifle with grind maks on the bolt underside that would not have affected function. It it were my bolt, I'd have probably just smoother out the marks with paper, cycled some dummy rounds to prove function, and gone shooting - but maybe I'm less picky than some folks. TI has already promised parts kits with replacement bolts anyhow, so at some point we will get spare parts (fingers crossed). The same thing happened with the VZ58S guns marstar brought in in 2005/2006. Some guns had gremlin issues and it was a couple years before we saw any spare parts. Now those guns are almost legendary in theVZ lineup.

The real test will be when the next batch arrives and people actually see them on store shelves (i.e. not just in internet pre-order pages). We'll know soon enough if they will be popular or not.
 
You don’t have to own something to give your thoughts or impressions on products. I don’t own a Kodiak Defense Vz 58 but I had the opportunity to handle and inspect one. I can tell you from that inspection alone what I think about the gun. I’m very glad the gun is Canadian made and how it’s making the Canadian firearms industry much stronger. However, I would not buy one at this time. The bolt carries are sticky and in some cases, got stuck and had to be smacked hard to make it shut. The four guns I got to see all had damaged hand guard pins. Finally the deal breaker. This is what made me not want the gun. When inspecting the gun, I noticed the shell ejector is milled as part of the receiver the Czech made guns are replaceable. That alone killed it for me. I could of lived with a damaged hand guard pin and a sticky bolt carrier but that I cannot. I have never seen a Vz 58 shell ejection break before but I simply can’t trust the design change. When years go by and the gun proves to have no problems, I will reconsider.

There you go. I just spoke about something I don’t own and everyone else can as well. As for the Type 81, I really wanted one myself but after inspecting one and seeing the gun is much bigger and heavier than the Vz 58, the Vz 58 is the superior gun. So if I get another AK look alike, it will be another Czech made Vz 58 CSA or CZ.
 
i love my t81 waited to long to get it then hate it i had mine out of the box for a few hours then i took the grinder to it and did things to make it better for me. il be getting more of them because i love the rifle still have to get a folder tho.
 
i love my t81 waited to long to get it then hate it i had mine out of the box for a few hours then i took the grinder to it and did things to make it better for me. il be getting more of them because i love the rifle still have to get a folder tho.

What did you grind on it?
 
Probably ground the bar off the rear sight. Seems like a bunch of people are doing that
It doesn't bother me so I left mine alone
 
In some very early postings when people were just getting 81's into their hands, I noticed a couple guys saying that they had ground their rear dust covers (at the front lip) because it was "too tight" and they couldn't get them back on.

Just have to say again how much I like this gun. Next range trip will be a serious attempt at shooting groups, my best so far was about 4" at 110 yards. Now that I have the sights dialed in I feel I can maybe better that, I also plan to go on a nice clear day with good visibility.
 
In some very early postings when people were just getting 81's into their hands, I noticed a couple guys saying that they had ground their rear dust covers (at the front lip) because it was "too tight" and they couldn't get them back on.

Just have to say again how much I like this gun. Next range trip will be a serious attempt at shooting groups, my best so far was about 4" at 110 yards. Now that I have the sights dialed in I feel I can maybe better that, I also plan to go on a nice clear day with good visibility.

There is tons of clearance for the dust cover if installed correctly. I can't recommend anyone grind any part of it.
 
Again, those 400 CZ58's were at the end of the CZ production run at a time when a shaddow hung over the 858's FRT status. There was a panic rush on well-priced rifles of a pattern that had been in Canada and widely used & understood for over 10 years. It's apples and oranges.

You can sell a lot of a scarce item that has been around and is well regarded. You can't count on an unknown qty selling as well - it would be bad business to expect that.

Once the first 1000 rifles are out and around and people have a chance to see them, use them at ranges, etc. then folks will make their minds up as to what htey are worth and whether it's worth having one or not. To hear it on CGN, you'd think these were the NEA or early gremlin VZ58 of the chinese firearms lineup. I don't share that view, and my example exceeded my expectations.

I've seen a total of 3 rifles in photos that I would consider unacceptably misaligned and one rifle with grind maks on the bolt underside that would not have affected function. It it were my bolt, I'd have probably just smoother out the marks with paper, cycled some dummy rounds to prove function, and gone shooting - but maybe I'm less picky than some folks. TI has already promised parts kits with replacement bolts anyhow, so at some point we will get spare parts (fingers crossed). The same thing happened with the VZ58S guns marstar brought in in 2005/2006. Some guns had gremlin issues and it was a couple years before we saw any spare parts. Now those guns are almost legendary in theVZ lineup.

The real test will be when the next batch arrives and people actually see them on store shelves (i.e. not just in internet pre-order pages). We'll know soon enough if they will be popular or not.

With the current debacle I can't see it being all too successful but you are right next shipment whenever that is supposed to be would be the indicator of actual interest beyond the rabid fanboys and apologists.

Wolverine sold 400 CZ58's or whatever just on CGN in 1 day at $1000 a pop couple years back. There is a lot of purchasing power on CGN, far more then we think.
I'm not sure the 2nd batch of T81's will move very quickly given the present issues with the first batch.

Imagine how much faster and how many more they could have sold if they stuck to the original 699 price maybe even 799 accounting for our weaker currency at that time. I totally forgot about that.

There is tons of clearance for the dust cover if installed correctly. I can't recommend anyone grind any part of it.

There is tons of clearance for the dust cover on yours. Looking at the qc it's entirely possible his did need to be ground off.

On a sidenote in relation to the OP, we can't speak for you, you already made your decision, but we would technically have less personal bias seeing that we don't have personal investment in the goods leading to a more objective evaluation of the product, which if someone on the fence or someone that may or may not be thinking about spending their hard earned money can read and take into account whether to go ahead or spend it elsewhere.
 
I don't think you can currently buy a brand new T81 from a dealer at this point. Tenda and FOC sold out immediately on the ones they had.

Next batch will sell pretty fast, especially as they will also get sent to dealers and they are not a pre order thing. I was not really interested in them until they landed and then was like "hell, why not?" Of course, they will sell better if there are mags available. I only have 2 mags, need at least another 10 or 20.
 
I know, it's as embarrassing as hell..I have 15 to 50 mags for every detach mag firearm I own..But they were out of mags when I ordered. The shame is unbearable.
 
I wish I had one to complain about...had a type 84 long ago, it was the cats pyjamas, despite everyone telling me what a pile of crap a 556 AK wannabe was...
 
I know, it's as embarrassing as hell..I have 15 to 50 mags for every detach mag firearm I own..But they were out of mags when I ordered. The shame is unbearable.

Oh man be careful spouting that info off. People might think you are a #magwhore lol.

Just joking, I do the exact same thing as you do. I like to have LOTS of spares for every DM rifle I own aswell. I guess so others just can't wrap their heads around that
 
Constantly reloading 5 rounds into three mags in this cold weather is freakin annoying lol. Especially when the mags are meant to hold 30 :bangHead:
 
So we had to wait (according to TI) until a military contract was ordered that this batch of rifles would be made with. TI could not, or would not, order enough to get the factory to make an independent production run.

So how many got made as part of this limited production run? 1000 came in on the first shipment that we know of; how many are coming in on the next shipment? Another 1000? Will there be a third shipment? And when will the next military order come up that a civilian order could piggyback on? Unless someone with deep pockets pays for their own run possibly?

So many unknowns. These guns are not an item in continuous production and circumstances can change in an instant in the gun world. There is a good chance the window of availability for these will be short, if so they will quickly rise in price.
 
front and rear sights took the GL shroud off did ak mags took off the bit for the cleaning rod to.

Sounds like you are really making it yours. What overall look and form are you going for?

One thought I had, though I won't do it on this example, was to remove the front sight and launcher sleeve and pin on an AK sight at the muzzle. Not for aesthetics, but because I could then thread the muzzle and have a longer sight radius. Would look good on a fixed stock version too I think.

If someone were really enterprising, they could strip the gun to the receiver and machine AKM trunions to fit the stamped receiver and build an ntire ak clone, though i think the t81 is great as it sits.
 
So we had to wait (according to TI) until a military contract was ordered that this batch of rifles would be made with. TI could not, or would not, order enough to get the factory to make an independent production run.

So how many got made as part of this limited production run? 1000 came in on the first shipment that we know of; how many are coming in on the next shipment? Another 1000? Will there be a third shipment? And when will the next military order come up that a civilian order could piggyback on? Unless someone with deep pockets pays for their own run possibly?

So many unknowns. These guns are not an item in continuous production and circumstances can change in an instant in the gun world. There is a good chance the window of availability for these will be short, if so they will quickly rise in price.

Its been basically proven through observed serials the total batch was 2000 rifles. They didn't ship here numbered sequentially, the numbers were all intermixed.
 
So we had to wait (according to TI) until a military contract was ordered that this batch of rifles would be made with. TI could not, or would not, order enough to get the factory to make an independent production run.

So how many got made as part of this limited production run? 1000 came in on the first shipment that we know of; how many are coming in on the next shipment? Another 1000? Will there be a third shipment? And when will the next military order come up that a civilian order could piggyback on? Unless someone with deep pockets pays for their own run possibly?

So many unknowns. These guns are not an item in continuous production and circumstances can change in an instant in the gun world. There is a good chance the window of availability for these will be short, if so they will quickly rise in price.

I'd be curious to hear how many of the rifles built for the military contract were sent back with them complaining that they were "bent".
I bet the answer is Zero, they probably all got fielded and all functioned just fine. I think people on this site have some unrealistic expectations of a rifle built in China just because it has a $1000 price tag.

I doubt many would argue that these are not $1000 rifles, more like $600-$700 at best but due to supply/demand, NR tax, Pre-Sale garbage they COST $1000 and I for one don't regret spending that much on it. I've waster a lot more money than that on dumber things and at least I can always sell this (probably for a small loss) if I get bored of it.
If I sell it my magazines will be $100 each :p
 
Not sure if you got my post? ...was in reference to the AKM comment.
Some of us had or still have them. They were a $400 rifle then and based on pricing of ‘Norc M-305s...pretty much still are.
But whatever, this horse has been beaten to death.

Dilligaf: yeah, kinda slow at the start. It looks great until you miss the button with the mag - the whole point of having it within reach of the trigger finger.

Yes, and for those of us who have not had or have an AKM style rifle, this is the closest we have come!
 
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