You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us
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Thanks for the hijack with an unwanted review of the Kodiak VZ58... I love my CZ858, however this is a thread for people who own Type 81's.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'd be curious to hear how many of the rifles built for the military contract were sent back with them complaining that they were "bent".
I bet the answer is Zero, they probably all got fielded and all functioned just fine. I think people on this site have some unrealistic expectations of a rifle built in China just because it has a $1000 price tag.
I doubt many would argue that these are not $1000 rifles, more like $600-$700 at best but due to supply/demand, NR tax, Pre-Sale garbage they COST $1000 and I for one don't regret spending that much on it. I've waster a lot more money than that on dumber things and at least I can always sell this (probably for a small loss) if I get bored of it.
If I sell it my magazines will be $100 each
Odds are it was sold to a 3rd rate military that couldn't afford anything better and was probably provided as an aid package. Beggars don't get to be choosers, so I doubt they had the option to send those back even if they wanted to.
Do tell which battlefield this rifle was fielded on by a professional military that got you to this conclusion.
BeaverMeat
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The limited run "military piggyback order" is horsesh!t.
Oops. I don't own a T81 so I can't talk about it.
leosnipes
CGN Regular
Constantly reloading 5 rounds into three mags in this cold weather is freakin annoying lol. Especially when the mags are meant to hold 30
I've seen shooters with 75 rds(?) drums every once in a while in my local range, you can tell them about it LOL
Well, in a world awash with dirt cheap AK's, I guess even a "3rd rate" military can be choosy if they are buying T81 rifles instead.
And my battlefield conclusion would be referring to the functioning of these rifles. For you I will strip my words to the bare minimum to avoid confusion; all rifles with "issues" shown so far will still fire, I have not seen one yet that was inoperable.
Heck, not a single person has complained that their gun is a jam-o-matic; my worst issues so far have been a couple rounds out of over 500 that needed an assist up the feed ramp. Or the BHO not working 100%. Non of which would get me killed on the battlefield.
Oops, I have never shot my 81 in battle. Fvck me, I have never even been in battle. Guess my opinion is invalid.
I don't necessarily disagree with this, we are only taking TI's word about the military order piggyback thing and the word of TI is not worth much.
I agree with you 100%, TI got caught up in their lies. This is why I waited until they were in country to place my order
TI will never live this part down, the loss of customer confidence in them cannot be understated. Very weak to no attempt to make amends with their most loyal and high spending customers.
Agreed, I have a buddy who is very knowledgeable about military firearms and he basically laughed at me when I mentioned that at least it has seen combat. His reply was something along the lines you mention about 3rd rate organizations and short lived military use in actual combat. He rattled off some variant model numbers that he thought were far superior (I don't remember which ones) but all I know is that for civilian use it looks cool and has so far been reliable for me which is what I bought it for.
Amends for what? We all paid the same amount for the rifle and the guys that ordered early got some free items that I didn't get because I waited for them to clear customs. Those free items are your amends.
Early pay or not you got your rifle and just because someone who ordered after you got their rifle first doesn't mean you were wronged by them. They had a list and they filled the orders and shipped them as fast as they could get them out of the container with the amount of people they had available to help. Sure it sucked if you were one of the guys who'd been waiting for over a year and you watched a guy who ordered two weeks ago get his before you but that doesn't mean they owe you some compensation for your suffering and mental anguish.
Most loyal and high spending? You bought a $1000 rifle on a pre-sale where you were told it would be a long wait. No one forced you to do anything. Don't like waiting don't buy on pre-sale.
How many rifles have you bought from TI? Or do you think that because you paid a year ago and sat at home waiting that makes you their most loyal customer?
I do agree that they should have provided more communication as to what was going on but I'm not sure that my actions would have been much different in the same situation after all the whining started. There were a few on here who ruined it for the rest of you with their foot stomping temper tantrums. Stomping and yelling rarely gets you the results you are hoping for and is a sure fire way to turn someone away from caring what you're saying.
I'm not pointing fingers at anyone specific as I didn't pay close enough attention or care enough to remember who were the ones crying so don't take things too personally here, most of this is a general statement as I know there are a couple others who feel the same as you.
In the end you got what you paid for in a reasonable amount of time regardless of whether you were first or last. Pre-order is always a sh!t show and is why I refuse to participate in them. Until a product is at least in the country and past customs with an FRT I will not pay for it. If the import company can't finance the purchase without the pre-sale money I don't think they are the kind of company I'd deal with.
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angrysoldier
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The type 81 was used by china in border conflicts with Vietnam. Hardly 2-3 rate militaries.
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I think they were not popular and many moved away from them. I am only going by what I was told from a guy who knows a lot more about military firearms than I do.
I really couldn't care less if it has or has not seen much military use. It's a cool and reliable rifle that is fun to shoot and I can make magazines for it from $20 Pmags in about 3 minutes per magazine.
I think people are still butt-hurt over having to wait longer than some of the guys that ordered after them.
I remember posts with guys crying that they felt they financed the T81 with their early pre-order and felt they should have gotten preferential shipping while the late comers had to wait. Garbage, it's called a business loan, no one on here financed the order, the bank did and TI pre-sold them to pay it back probably so they could order something else to bring us.
There really isn't much about the rifle to hate, it does what it's supposed to do and mine at least lived up to my expectations for a rifle built in China.
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