You Don't Own A Type 81 - You Can't Speak For Us

[Mantis]

Sure if that's what you want to call it

So tell me, if the SKS is so much better, why did the Chinese adopt the type 56 AK for frontline service and then replace the Type 56 AK with the Type 81 as the standard service rifle? Why was it and not the SKS in service for all those years?

 

[ricohman]

Probably because as a civilian shooter with bullets only traveling away from you and not towards you there is no need to play operator if your rifle stops. You just pause, clear the malfunction, then reload and continue.
Same concept as not caring if I have an optic with batteries, if it dies while I'm shooting I walk over to my range box and grab a new battery, change it then carry on, it's not the end of the world, it's not life and death as a civilian like some guys try to make it sound. If I'm ever in a world where people are shooting back at me I might care more about those things, I shoot enough that I'm familiar enough with my equipment that I can get back up shooting quickly if needed but I doubt that will ever be needed to save my life.

Nope. Not civilian shooting at all.
Tap rack target, Rip work tap rack target. I guess this varies across the country depending on the service.

 

[r34skyline]

Son, your missing the whole point, its laughable that your talking Type 81 and MOA in the same sentence... These rifles are designed to hit center mass (anywhere above the waste line. Only an armourer was allowed to adjust the sights... You seem to have no concept of what an AKM style rifle was originally designed for. It's a machete not a scalpel.

Most of us who own machete's have some scalpel's too, but we will never quite be the operator you are

Rofl a quality ak can and regularly blasts 3moa with surplus ammo and competent user. This bag of #### can't seem to break 4 moa on a good day.

So tell me, if the SKS is so much better, why did the Chinese adopt the type 56 AK for frontline service and then replace the Type 56 AK with the Type 81 as the standard service rifle? Why was it and not the SKS in service for all those years?

The sks is #### lol. As for why the chinese replaced it with an ak copy did you really have to ask?
And as for their switch to type 81 have you noticed how since then they have continued to launch new and improved incompetent abortions every decade or so?

And klaus enuff I suggest you read on why trb can also be applied for rock and lock guns.

And I mean you can bring your t81 to a 3 gun match. We can compare your superior rock and lock training against mine with my cz858(which despite your claim of comparable performance has not malfunctioned once in thousands of rounds).

 

[GUB]

I'd like to see Riflechair do a hands on review and shoot with the 81.. He'd give us the straight up without all the defensive butthurt ranting about how the 81 can shoot into space...

 

[klaus enuff]

No, please, you educate us, please post the military standards for immediate action and manual of arms. For the AK or similar platform.

A rock and lock mag, if the front lip catch is properly engaged, will not fail to lock at the rear. Unless the operator failed to fully lock back the mag, in which case the mag would likely fall out but much more likely. if such a mag did stick enough to hold, would not feed the first round. In which case other drills would come into place.

I have an absence of ego in this, I truly value knowledge. That doesn't mean you haven't provided me some enjoyment in this And if I ever were to compete in 3 gun and the choice was between my 81 or 858, I would go with my 858 at this point. I am so much more familiar with it and as I have it set up now, with a better pistol grip and very effective brake, it would be the logical choice. I also consider the mags to be superior with the 858, I do like the 81/AK mag release more but for now 858 mags go in much easier for me.

 

[klaus enuff]

We should ask Larry Vickers to do a review

 

[GUB]

We should ask Larry Vickers to do a review

HAHH Even better.....

 

[klaus enuff]

So what does it say about those who own multiples of 858's, SKS's and 81's?

Oh sh!t. I have more money than brains, not enough IQ points to stop me. Ermagherd, reaching for my wallet, buying Valmets... yeah Valmets plural, you think I am the type of collector or shooter to just get one? My d!ck might fall off, I will take no chance of that, believe me, no chances taken.

Seriously though, as nice as the Valmets are, and they do represent the top of the line for AK's, I do not find them to be of good value for the price they command here. I am happy enough shooting my SKS, 858 and 81 shooters.

 

[angrysoldier]

Operators everywhere the eyes can see. Must be all the guys from the hill now on cgn. I don't claim to be anything but an enthusiast and a guy who shoots a bit on weekends. I did serve 20 years in the military but in the grand scheme of things that's just a small part of my past. The way some people on here rant and rave you all seemed to pass your 11 month long operators course. Let me guess they didn't break you during coc? No man can break you right? I picture most posters here divorced, overweight and alone, living dreams of glory on the internet. Telling stories from Nam or Bosnia of when they were " the man". If you guys are so high speed let's see you proof. Video? Documents? The closest I ever got to fame was washing pots with Arron Perry at the delta hotel in halifax, back in the day.

Sorry for the rant but ever step up with proof of your claims or shut up.

Cheers
Angry

 

[r34skyline]

So what does it say about those who own multiples of 858's, SKS's and 81's?

Oh sh!t. I have more money than brains, not enough IQ points to stop me. Ermagherd, reaching for my wallet, buying Valmets... yeah Valmets plural, you think I am the type of collector or shooter to just get one? My d!ck might fall off, I will take no chance of that, believe me, no chances taken.

Seriously though, as nice as the Valmets are, and they do represent the top of the line for AK's, I do not find them to be of good value for the price they command here. I am happy enough shooting my SKS, 858 and 81 shooters.

Valmets aren't good value. They are priced high(as are the cz858s by postban pricing). But they are rare and highly desirable(no other than the "elite club" the t81 doesn't have that much interest) and highly functional.

The sks. Cheap rifle but pending you don't waste time putting retard money on aftermarket jibberish and just shoot the thing it's not the worst thing to do. The cz at one point was the rifle to get. It still is the performer of the group. The prices however have crept up to silly levels now.

I am curious how the m10x fares. I'm disappointed with how things have been handled but on paper it looks like a good carbine.

And what point are you trying to make about purchasing multiple rifles? Good for you here is a cookie?

 

[SKS45]

Please tell everyone the correct manual of arms/immediate action drills for the AKM and related platforms.

No one wants to hear about your limited knowledge of AR's, that you are misapplying to the 81.

Aggressively hammering on the bottom on an incorrectly inserted "rock and lock" magazine will exacerbate any minor issue and may very well get you killed on the battlefield, should anyone be so foolish as to listen to your advice. Whatever training I may or may not have is obviously superior to yours, Tex.

And to recap, my two minor issues (first round slightly sticking out of a mag) were not due to an incorrectly inserted mag nor did I have to aggressively and forcefully work the charging handle to clear them. A slight nudge/bump/tap and the bolt closed and fully chambered. No matter how much you insist the 81 is an unreliable POS, the reality is these guns are performing the same or better as any other AKM or 7.62x39 semi auto rifle.

Comprehend much bro? No matter how much you confuse yourself, twisting what you have read somewhere and thinking it is what I did or should do, does not make it so. I am glad I discovered how you were confusing yourself, I mean no where in any of my comments is there anything to suggest I had to "force the round to chamber" or the other nonsense you have been spewing. You have taken what you read somewhere and are so confused you thought I said it. LOL.

I get it, you don't like China, neither their politics or products. You don't like the 81, that is fine, stick to your AR. I won't tell you to stop posting in this thread, I don't think I am the only one enjoying you confused rambling lol.

Rofl a quality ak can and regularly blasts 3moa with surplus ammo and competent user. This bag of #### can't seem to break 4 moa on a good day.



The sks is #### lol. As for why the chinese replaced it with an ak copy did you really have to ask?
And as for their switch to type 81 have you noticed how since then they have continued to launch new and improved incompetent abortions every decade or so?

And klaus enuff I suggest you read on why trb can also be applied for rock and lock guns.

And I mean you can bring your t81 to a 3 gun match. We can compare your superior rock and lock training against mine with my cz858(which despite your claim of comparable performance has not malfunctioned once in thousands of rounds).

This guy really knows his stuff!!! I real winner here

 

[Claven2]

Valmets aren't good value. They are priced high(as are the cz858s by postban pricing). But they are rare and highly desirable(no other than the "elite club" the t81 doesn't have that much interest) and highly functional.

The sks. Cheap rifle but pending you don't waste time putting retard money on aftermarket jibberish and just shoot the thing it's not the worst thing to do. The cz at one point was the rifle to get. It still is the performer of the group. The prices however have crept up to silly levels now.

I am curious how the m10x fares. I'm disappointed with how things have been handled but on paper it looks like a good carbine.

And what point are you trying to make about purchasing multiple rifles? Good for you here is a cookie?

On paper you already know the m10x is a better gun than the others you mentioned? Wow. What are next week's 649 winning numbers? Pm me so we don't dilute the prize too much.

 

[Claven2]

Operators everywhere the eyes can see. Must be all the guys from the hill now on cgn. I don't claim to be anything but an enthusiast and a guy who shoots a bit on weekends. I did serve 20 years in the military but in the grand scheme of things that's just a small part of my past. The way some people on here rant and rave you all seemed to pass your 11 month long operators course. Let me guess they didn't break you during coc? No man can break you right? I picture most posters here divorced, overweight and alone, living dreams of glory on the internet. Telling stories from Nam or Bosnia of when they were " the man". If you guys are so high speed let's see you proof. Video? Documents? The closest I ever got to fame was washing pots with Arron Perry at the delta hotel in halifax, back in the day.

Sorry for the rant but ever step up with proof of your claims or shut up.

Cheers
Angry

Love it. Opinions are like a-hole and half or more of the posters here have yet to touch a t81 and only shoot at civvy ranges. I'm with ya.

To have a qualified opinion you should have to post a photo proving you have even held the rifle you intend to bash.

I love the guy claiming AKM rifles hold 3moa consistently. Not in my experience. A T81 is basically an AKM with a different gas system. In fact, the T81 receiver is made of thicker steel. Has a reinforcement ridge folded into the metal, and has a better trunion rivet layout than the AKM.

Yes I've shot both guns plenty. I've shot neither in combat and don't pretend to have done so, but I have shot them, field stripped them, etc. Which is more than many who are posting here.

 

[r34skyline]

On paper you already know the m10x is a better gun than the others you mentioned? Wow. What are next week's 649 winning numbers? Pm me so we don't dilute the prize too much.

Let's spell this out(I seem to have to do this a lot with you lot) the featuresets on paper looks like a winning rifle, I have no idea how the damn thing works in real life, and I have no idea how long M+M will last and whether it would be easy to support with parts.

 

[klaus enuff]

Rare and highly desirable also apply to the Norinco AK's and SKS's too lol. In the USA that is. Location, out of production or no longer imported are all factors that affect gun pricing. Varies by locale.

It is good you seem to have some grasp of simple market concepts, surely this can help you understand the current affection for the 81 here and now. So far, and until you show evidence otherwise, these rifles are reliable and accurate for their purpose. If my 81 all of a sudden turns into a paperweight jam-o-tic I will have no shame reporting so, the same as if my gun were to start grouping in feet.

My numbers comment was not to brag, but was obviously in response to your comment about the intelligence of various owners of different firearms. That is to say, what is the intelligence of someone who owns all the above platforms, and multiples?

I can see it went over your head.

 

[Claven2]

So what does it say about those who own multiples of 858's, SKS's and 81's?

Oh sh!t. I have more money than brains, not enough IQ points to stop me. Ermagherd, reaching for my wallet, buying Valmets... yeah Valmets plural, you think I am the type of collector or shooter to just get one? My d!ck might fall off, I will take no chance of that, believe me, no chances taken.

Seriously though, as nice as the Valmets are, and they do represent the top of the line for AK's, I do not find them to be of good value for the price they command here. I am happy enough shooting my SKS, 858 and 81 shooters.

I would suggest the Valmet are good, but they are no better than the Galil line, and the current ak74M and AK12 or the 102 export series is superior to a Valmet in basically every way. Probably also superior to the Sako 92, though I have not yet had a 92 apart to compare.

Anyone who knows infantry arms design will tell you stamped isn't necessarily less good than milled. Just ask the Swiss.

 

[Claven2]

Let's spell this out(I seem to have to do this a lot with you lot) the featuresets on paper looks like a winning rifle, I have no idea how the damn thing works in real life, and I have no idea how long M+M will last and whether it would be easy to support with parts.

With respect, grow some thicker skin or don't post smack on forums

 

[klaus enuff]

Let's spell this out(I seem to have to do this a lot with you lot) the featuresets on paper looks like a winning rifle, I have no idea how the damn thing works in real life, and I have no idea how long M+M will last and whether it would be easy to support with parts.

I am glad to see you were quick to edit out your BS Moncton M14 comments.

You are lucky I was a little slow to hit reply with quote

 

[r34skyline]

Rare and highly desirable also apply to the Norinco AK's and SKS's too lol. In the USA that is. Location, out of production or no longer imported are all factors that affect gun pricing. Varies by locale.

It is good you seem to have some grasp of simple market concepts, surely this can help you understand the current affection for the 81 here and now. So far, and until you show evidence otherwise, these rifles are reliable and accurate for their purpose. If my 81 all of a sudden turns into a paperweight jam-o-tic I will have no shame reporting so, the same as if my gun were to start grouping in feet.

My numbers comment was not to brag, but was obviously in response to your comment about the intelligence of various owners of different firearms. That is to say, what is the intelligence of someone who owns all the above platforms, and multiples?

I can see it went over your head.

Nothing wrong with owning multiples, when it's a quality piece like a 858, or if you want a showpiece or because you think it looks cool or whatever collector reason, from a serious shooter standpoint buying additional junk when you could be spending it on a course or more ammo is a waste of money. someone that owns all 3 of the models seem to have lucked out on the vz front although odds are they aren't the smartest cookies either.

The arguements presented by the 81 apologists and fanboys definitely lack intellect of any sort that much is obvious through some 30+ pages now.

And you have already given me evidence your gun is unreliable. And cr5 seems to have had stoppages as well. And that's just what we heard about. I can look for more there probably is more in the forum, I can't be bothered. But I hear this guy klaus enuff had a gun that choked before he even dumped a crate through his gun.

 

[beltfed]

Ok - just watched the video. Suffice to say we haven’t seen a review that speaks to the practical accuracy of the T-81 yet...

Well, even though I am far from being good with this style of iron sights my rifle is consistently shooting 6-8 moa off the table and as for practical accuracy I can hit my steel plates standing freehand very consistently at 25 yards(6 inch square) and 50 yards(8 inch round), I'll be hanging more steel on my range soon at 100 yards (just welded the chain to the back of my new plate this afternoon). Practical accuracy is I can hit plates all day long even though it looks like crap on paper.

I bought this rifle because it looks pretty cool and has detachable mags, also so I could burn off some of the 7.62x39 I have here, I needed a beater rifle I don't care about and something more fun than an SKS. I knew going in that it wasn't going to be shooting small groups and I'm just tired of picking up brass or running a brass catcher on my nicer rifles. This rifle has so far been very reliable and it's exactly what I was expecting from a rifle made in China.
When I want to shoot small groups I have plenty of other rifles for that, this is just for blasting cheep ammo and swinging steel plates and maybe perforating the odd coyote that's stupid enough to let me get within 100 yards of it.

I really don't understand why everyone continues to talk about the accuracy of the T-81. If someone bought it thinking it was going to be a 1-2 moa rifle they are delusional. When someone figures out a way to mount an optic on one then we'll see what it can really do but until then I'm satisfied with the results I'm getting with it.

Easy now...all I’m saying is we really haven’t seen what the rifle is capable of yet.