44 mag or 45-70

Try a full power or even moderate load with a crescent butt plate, not as forgiving as a shotgun or carbine style at all. My 375 CZ is a pussycat to shoot in comparison to the Winchester '86 I had.

In a ported guide gun or even a standard 1895, the 45-70 is no worse than a 30-06.
 
heronfish said:
Is there really that much difference in recoil between a 44 mag in a rifle and run of the mill 405 grain 45/70 loads that some feel the need to trumpet their masculinity?
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I don't think there is , the 45/70 gets obnoxious with heavier loads , but the standard loads are pretty tame . The heavier loaded factory ammo , like the bear busters , are pretty nasty , but I've never felt the need to push things that far . 400/405's at about 1600 fps have worked really well for me over 40 years .
If I lived in an area where Deer and Black Bear would be what I'd be after , I'd happily hunt with a 44 . I hunt Moose and Elk every year , the 45/70 is just a bit more capable IMHO .
 
mike t said:
Loooing for a new lever gun for deer, shots will be fairly close as I will be using this rifle while dogging and running hounds. I have used 30-30 before but am looking for a different caliber
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I have and have used Both cartridges - the 45-70 is way overpowered . I load it down for Deer - The 44 Mag works great with 240-30 gr-ers ! jmo RJ-
 
heronfish said:
Is there really that much difference in recoil between a 44 mag in a rifle and run of the mill 405 grain 45/70 loads that some feel the need to trumpet their masculinity?
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Quite the opposite... some here have their panties in a bunch over a moderate increase in recoil over a maxed out .44 (which all would likely be shooting at deer) and a standard 350 or 405 load in the .45/70... the .44 Mag is great for inexpensive shooting, but the .45/70 is a better hunting choice... I am not anti-.44, I currently have two, but I have owned and shot and hunted with many of both.
 
aric84 said:
Is this a good time to mention that my other hunting rifle is a 375 H&H that I have no problem shooting?

Methinks someone just is not a fan of the 44 mag. It fits the bill for plenty of other in this thread. To each their own but no need to try and belittle those who disagree with you.
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He's just been a real grumpy prick since not getting out hunting much due to an injury. Don't worry. He's a good guy. And he can take a joke.....I hope.
 
yomomma said:
Actually, yes sort of. Brass is $160 for 200 and I can probably cast 500 bullets plus still buy the primers for the $40 that's left.
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And we can cast 500gr thumpers as well. Plus all the snazzy colors we can coat the bullets in. For that $40 thats left I could cast thousands and get primers as well. Plus you can down load 45/70 to 22 short speeds or right up at shoulder pounding levels. Pick your poison.
 
Slamfire said:
.45-70. Deadly, flips 'em right over. :eek:

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poor critter.....but you sure did make me laugh. Another vote here for 444 or 45/70.
 
Purple shoulder said:
He's just been a real grumpy prick since not getting out hunting much due to an injury. Don't worry. He's a good guy. And he can take a joke.....I hope.
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Nah... no grumpiness being expressed here... perhaps on a couple other threads... pain and stupidity do not make good bedfellows...
 
45/70 all the way. I cast and reload. I hunt deer with 405gr casted FP however I turn down the powder loads for them seeing as how I don't shoot outside of 200 yard with it. OOOORRR I can turn it up to 325FTX bullets coming out at 2400fps which I use on moose and elk. Those ones hurt with a cresent butt plate however the lighter 405gr don't bother me at all. The cast rounds cost me about 27 cents per and the FTX stuff is about $1.27 per. I play around with 350gr and 300 gr projectiles however I mostly stick to 325gr and 405gr.
 
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