Geissele Automatics 2018 New Product Release + Q&A

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Morning All,

Live stream about 2h long.
They are getting into knife making, rifle making, ar buffer tubes, etc.

Knife scabbard? - 28:00min




Lot of interesting stuff.

Cheers,


Admins: Can you please move this post into shot show 2018 section, once it opens up.
 
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Interesting they are making their version of URGI available before the final decision is made.

2019 will be an interesting year.
 
FoxAlpha said:
Did they announce last year they were getting into knives?
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Yeah, Abraham and Moses started last year. Nice that they have lower end options. Well, comparatively lower end than the SOF knife.

The comment about the pic rail on the upper being straight and some other tidbits mentioned throughout the video does really make me wonder just how much of a measurable difference there is between a top notch piece of hardware and the mass market ones. And also how likely it is that the vast majority of users would notice a difference. If the average pic rail is canted some fraction of a degree, or even twisted across the top, how much would that actually affect things? I love me some Geissele but is it overkill for the average person?
 
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mebiuspower said:
They make the best AR triggers on earth, but feel cold about everything else they make.
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Agreed, that is they did make the best going...
I have 8 Geisele SR triggers and sourced them when they were not known outside of competition shooting.
Since they have gained in such popularity, especially with the TAC crowd, their pricing on triggers has gone full retard.
I hope they don’t loose touch with that fact, but sadly that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Check out Wisconsin Triggers as a substitute.
 
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mebiuspower said:
They make the best AR triggers on earth, but feel cold about everything else they make.
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They make good combat proven match triggers and I will pay for them just because they absolutely know what they are doing with triggers , but I think they are charging a premium for other stuff based on the reputation of their triggers.

Their scope mounts are like 325, even Larue only goes for 210 to 250 ish.

Their rails are nice, because the guts inside that rail is a HK design ( and the reason why it is good! LOL ). The most important parts of the rails, barrel nut and rail/nut interface, are basically HK416.

The HK increases the receiver height so the rail can have a male part to tight fit into the top of upper, hence the stuff on the rail will retain zero if the hanguard is taken off. The width of a typical forged AR upper receiver probably has too big a tolerance for zero retaining using just two ears off both sides of an extrusion tube. I see that they are using two more ears with the MK16 with 2 set screws, but it is not going to do the job as well as the original HK design.
 
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I like the idea of full rifles and 1911s. I wish they had QD mounts and I don’t really buy their reasoning for not having one. I did not like the video. I don’t care for his side stories. I just want to know about he new products.
 
jadam said:
Yeah, Abraham and Moses started last year. Nice that they have lower end options. Well, comparatively lower end than the SOF knife.

The comment about the pic rail on the upper being straight and some other tidbits mentioned throughout the video does really make me wonder just how much of a measurable difference there is between a top notch piece of hardware and the mass market ones. And also how likely it is that the vast majority of users would notice a difference. If the average pic rail is canted some fraction of a degree, or even twisted across the top, how much would that actually affect things? I love me some Geissele but is it overkill for the average person?
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I think with the rail; a lot of free float rails are extruded aluminum. So there is potential for the rail to torque when they straiten the extrusions out, or when they heat treat them. At least if they don't take care to ensure straightness. Realistically as long as your components are zero-able I don't think it would be an issue, but it may mean more adjustment to get your front sight or laser marker on target.

I have a MK-8 rail on my AR, and I love that rail. It's extremely light, extremely tough and the finishing is absolutely top notch. As Greentips said, the best parts of their rails are the HK design, I think they did a pretty solid design with how they attach to a regular AR upper. The notch in the 416 upper is probably the best anti-rotation design I've seen.
 
It is a problem if the user is putting on a targeting laser and other clip on NV/Thermo devices, if the rail on the hanguard is not straight. That is the biggest thing CC is harping on the IUR.


F22_RaptoR said:
I think with the rail; a lot of free float rails are extruded aluminum. So there is potential for the rail to torque when they straiten the extrusions out, or when they heat treat them. At least if they don't take care to ensure straightness. Realistically as long as your components are zero-able I don't think it would be an issue, but it may mean more adjustment to get your front sight or laser marker on target.

I have a MK-8 rail on my AR, and I love that rail. It's extremely light, extremely tough and the finishing is absolutely top notch. As Greentips said, the best parts of their rails are the HK design, I think they did a pretty solid design with how they attach to a regular AR upper. The notch in the 416 upper is probably the best anti-rotation design I've seen.
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greentips said:
It is a problem if the user is putting on a targeting laser and other clip on NV/Thermo devices, if the rail on the hanguard is not straight. That is the biggest thing CC is harping on the IUR.
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What do you mean? is rail on the CC-IUR straight?
 
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GreenBob said:
What do you mean? is CC on the IUR straight?
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Meaning CC can be absolutely sure, that within tolerance, all of their rails are straight - especially in relation to each other. That way, when NV/Thermo or targeting lasers are mounted, you can be sure they are as straight as possible.
 
Twan said:
Meaning CC can be absolutely sure, that within tolerance, all of their rails are straight - especially in relation to each other. That way, when NV/Thermo or targeting lasers are mounted, you can be sure they are as straight as possible.
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Thanks Twan.
I appreciate your response.
 
greentips said:
They make good combat proven match triggers and I will pay for them just because they absolutely know what they are doing with triggers , but I think they are charging a premium for other stuff based on the reputation of their triggers.

Their scope mounts are like 325, even Larue only goes for 210 to 250 ish.

Their rails are nice, because the guts inside that rail is a HK design ( and the reason why it is good! LOL ). The most important parts of the rails, barrel nut and rail/nut interface, are basically HK416.

The HK increases the receiver height so the rail can have a male part to tight fit into the top of upper, hence the stuff on the rail will retain zero if the hanguard is taken off. The width of a typical forged AR upper receiver probably has too big a tolerance for zero retaining using just two ears off both sides of an extrusion tube. I see that they are using two more ears with the MK16 with 2 set screws, but it is not going to do the job as well as the original HK design.
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Completely agree. Although I'm not sure other than milling ar receivers what else they can do to match the hk416 key slot. And hey I'm always down for hk goodies so if I can have some of that tech transfer on my di guns why not? To be honest no other rail system I have seen for the ar comes close really. Not dd not knights. Geissele rails with their hk416 inspired mounting system seems to be the way to go for ar rails if you want that solid rail system.

I completely agree their scope mount prices are completely bananas as is some of their other goodies. For that money I would rather have an recknagel era mount or for not much more a spuhr mount. Or save a few and get an adm which is more comparable to the geissele as I would put era and spuhr a level beyond your regular high end bases.
 
greentips said:
They make good combat proven match triggers and I will pay for them just because they absolutely know what they are doing with triggers , but I think they are charging a premium for other stuff based on the reputation of their triggers.
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I think GA keeps their prices as low as possible. I reckon commercial prices of some items are a result of products being developed at the request of JSOC, manufactured to very high effect on very expensive cutting edge machinery, then priced as required. That makes good things happen, but it is my general understanding that manufacturers are not allowed to sell to the Joe Public for less than Uncle Sam already paid, particularly when Uncle Sam bought more than everyone else.

Their scope mounts are like 325, even Larue only goes for 210 to 250 ish.
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See above.
 
r34skyline said:
Completely agree. Although I'm not sure other than milling ar receivers what else they can do to match the hk416 key slot. And hey I'm always down for hk goodies so if I can have some of that tech transfer on my di guns why not? To be honest no other rail system I have seen for the ar comes close really. Not dd not knights. Geissele rails with their hk416 inspired mounting system seems to be the way to go for ar rails if you want that solid rail system.

I completely agree their scope mount prices are completely bananas as is some of their other goodies. For that money I would rather have an recknagel era mount or for not much more a spuhr mount. Or save a few and get an adm which is more comparable to the geissele as I would put era and spuhr a level beyond your regular high end bases.
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I do wish they were cheaper. We would sell more of them.

I don't speak for GA, but I think GA would point out that other mounts completed and lost to the Super Precision Scope Mount in mil testing. I really wouldn't put any of the mounts mentioned beyond the GA Super Precision mounts.
 
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