beo mags, yes beo mags, what's going on?
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Runningfool
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Agreed.
Read his dozens and dozens of posts on the issue - he’s not simply relaying his personal experience, he is on a crusade. That is pretty clear.
Everyone is free to make their own decisions wrt possessing and using beo mags. I use mine regularly and sleep well at night knowing that in the unlikely event I get charged with possession of beo mags:
A) I have firearms legal defense insurance
B) I am a member of the cssa
C) there is a size able portion of CGN members who would gladly donate towards a legal fund of a good case
D) I have zero involvement in any “questionable” activity like using or growing pot, have a clean record, and would otherwise have no “baggage” that would make A), B), or C) above nervous about getting behind me.
E) I refuse to let fear of what any government agency may do to me dictate my actions.
I understand not everyone feels the same as I do and may not be in a position to approach this issue as I have. I would encourage others to know the facts and then decide what they want to do.
The problem is here cr5, is these "personal experiences" are only happening to Brian, who just happens to be the guy that's always said 5rd Beowulf mags are illegal. I've texted a bunch of my hunting friends in the okanagan who run .223's and they said they haven't run into any of these checks at the range or while out hunting. Only one of them runs beowulf mags but he said the exact same thing, no checks other than the typical C.O. stuff. Funny how this ONLY happens to Brian46.
I don't know what his problem with these mags are, but i'd say a sizeable amount of his posts are about them, it's like he wants them to be illegal. Meanwhile, the rest of us are at matches, ranges and hunting with them no problem. The only time we've even seen anyone be in trouble with these mags are that one guy that had a drug charge, and he just had them seized. Has anyone else had them seized at a CO/RCMP checkstop?
FYI, I'd be happy to be the one to be arrested and set precedent for these. Some passive income, no trouble with the law, young family and general stand up guy. If anything ever did happen with these mags and I was arrested, it would show the failures with the law.
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Mr 46 has previously posted about being known to the police and being the target of a home invasion. Have we thought perhaps he's involved in the drug trade and the police are purposely targeting him?
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Ps. That last post was mostly in jest... mostly.
I’m not a lawyer so this post is information/entertainment value only; I’m not here to side with any one view.
This is my first and last post on this subject. Please don’t ask me for particulars or to fill in the blanks, either through a post or via PM, as I will not answer them:
I have numerous ARs and have and do use them in competition; in Service Rifle, CQB and 3-gun competitions.
I know people that work for municipalities and enforce provincial and municipal regulations, so I have some knowledge in dealing with laws, the interpretation of laws how they are written, laying of charges and seeing those through with a prosecutor. They work as a team, and the team meets on a regular basis to discuss investigations and charge files.
Imho, Prosecutors look at files objectively, two questions that are paramount in their eyes would be: Is the prosecution of this charge in the public interest? Is conviction likely if it goes to trial?
I’ve recently had a conversation with a friend who works for a federal agency that deals specifically with firearms.
I have no specific knowledge of how they operate, but I suspect it would be similar to the model above whereby they meet with their prosecutor and discuss certain issues.
Like every other segment of our population, there are individual LEOs, garbage men, carpenters, lawyers, politicians, etc. that are ‘gun guys or gals’, those that are generally neutral, and those that are of the belief that firearms regulations should be improved, modified, etc.
At the end of the day though there are those that are sworn to uphold the laws as they are written and interpreted, and are expected to do their jobs in a professional manner with emotional detachment.
If it is one thing we, as a ‘gun community’ can all agree on is that laws can and are poorly written, segments of the Firearms Act & Criminal Code being no exception. Within the writing of the Firearms Act there is some ‘grey area’ where a lawyer could argue for or against certain issues.
No ‘gun guy’ or ‘gun gal’ I know are in favour of further regulation, and if there exists so called ‘loop holes’ or ‘grey areas’ that foster allowances, such as pistol mags containing 10 rounds being used in a rifle, or 13 rounds of 9mm used in a .40 s&w mag, then great.
It is my understanding that the 5 round Beowulf mag does not presently, in the eyes of those regulatory bodies who would deal specifically with firearms, enjoy the shade of these so called ‘loop holes’ or ‘grey areas’.
If a ‘gun guy or gal’ is found in possession of a 5 round Beowolf mag, the magazine, presently, is considered a prohibited device, and that individual could likely be charged.
This is my first and last post on this subject. Please don’t ask me for particulars or to fill in the blanks, either through a post or via PM, as I will not answer them:
I have numerous ARs and have and do use them in competition; in Service Rifle, CQB and 3-gun competitions.
I know people that work for municipalities and enforce provincial and municipal regulations, so I have some knowledge in dealing with laws, the interpretation of laws how they are written, laying of charges and seeing those through with a prosecutor. They work as a team, and the team meets on a regular basis to discuss investigations and charge files.
Imho, Prosecutors look at files objectively, two questions that are paramount in their eyes would be: Is the prosecution of this charge in the public interest? Is conviction likely if it goes to trial?
I’ve recently had a conversation with a friend who works for a federal agency that deals specifically with firearms.
I have no specific knowledge of how they operate, but I suspect it would be similar to the model above whereby they meet with their prosecutor and discuss certain issues.
Like every other segment of our population, there are individual LEOs, garbage men, carpenters, lawyers, politicians, etc. that are ‘gun guys or gals’, those that are generally neutral, and those that are of the belief that firearms regulations should be improved, modified, etc.
At the end of the day though there are those that are sworn to uphold the laws as they are written and interpreted, and are expected to do their jobs in a professional manner with emotional detachment.
If it is one thing we, as a ‘gun community’ can all agree on is that laws can and are poorly written, segments of the Firearms Act & Criminal Code being no exception. Within the writing of the Firearms Act there is some ‘grey area’ where a lawyer could argue for or against certain issues.
No ‘gun guy’ or ‘gun gal’ I know are in favour of further regulation, and if there exists so called ‘loop holes’ or ‘grey areas’ that foster allowances, such as pistol mags containing 10 rounds being used in a rifle, or 13 rounds of 9mm used in a .40 s&w mag, then great.
It is my understanding that the 5 round Beowulf mag does not presently, in the eyes of those regulatory bodies who would deal specifically with firearms, enjoy the shade of these so called ‘loop holes’ or ‘grey areas’.
If a ‘gun guy or gal’ is found in possession of a 5 round Beowolf mag, the magazine, presently, is considered a prohibited device, and that individual could likely be charged.
the problem lies with your friends not having a beowulf rifle, it is the ammo itself that catches the attention every time.
Why would I want the mags I use illegal or remain at a capacity of 2 unlike any other semi auto in canada?
Well stated. I concur.
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Yes, known to police. You have stated that you were charged.
Most home invasions in BC are targeted. Guess why... it’s really not a stretch. You seem to have a lot of police interactions. With the road stops outside the range and game stops... coupled with getting charged.
And how many of you are hunting with a 50 Beowulf ACR?
Shooting at a range with some pro gun officers or shooting out in a gravel pit or on crown land with no one around is a little different than hunting season with conservation officers looking for poachers and people breaking the law.
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if you have a parking ticket the media will say you are "known to police"
You believe road checks are being set up just for me? Who is being paranoid now?
I was falsely accused of a crime as the result of being the victim of one, happens "a lot" according to my own lawyers words.
Police from time to time even kick in the wrong door.
A) drive your truck out on a frozen lake, watch it break through the ice and see how much support you have from your insurance company. Same goes here, if you knowingly break the law or put your property in peril your insurance company tells you to have a nice day and walks away from you. You better contact your firearms insurance company and ask them specifically what help they will provide you if you are charged with the possession of a prohibited device.
B) what are they going to do for you? Again, have you spoken to them to see what support you will get from them if you're charged with possession of a prohibited device?
C) that comment is laughable, people on this site for the most part will simply sit back and watch to see what happens. I wouldn't count in any support from members of an internet forum that you've never met.
D) your lack of history with the police may buy you a lesser sentence but possession of a prohibited device when related to firearms will probably be looked at by a non gun person the same as they would look at it if you were caught with a machine gun.
E) well you should since this government agency has it in their power to use our tax dollars to run you through the courts till you are bankrupt and can't fight back anymore then take your freedom away from you. We're not talking about a speeding ticket here or getting stopped with a joint in your cigarette pack. Firearms offenses are taken pretty seriously by the courts. Bulletin or not, if they can twist it enough to convince a judge you're going to be guilty.
Plus, as was mentioned before, pretending you didn't know won't get you very far when you've been posting on a public forum that you've read everything and that you don't care what the bulletin says.
As I've said before, I don't agree with their bulletin but is it really worth the risk for 4-5 more rounds in your magazine?
Also, add to all of this, every time there is anything firearms related the media will whip it up into an anti gun story rallying the rest of the anti's to petition for more gun control. Is that something our community needs with all these AR'ish rifles being given a non restricted FRT lately?
Earlier someone told Brian he was the problem, I see it differently, the guys telling others to ignore the bulletin are the problem. They're encouraging people to put themselves and their freedom at risk based on their opinion of a stupid bulletin. It may not have been passed into law yet but that doesn't change the fact that the guys who wrote it are also the guys our idiotic government has entrusted to interpret and enforce the laws.
Brian is simply passing on a warning that not all officers are as relaxed as others and that there is a difference between shooting at a range with your competitor buddies and using these on crown land where you never know what the officer who meets you will be like.
Why would he be anti Beowulf mags? He's one of the few guys on here that actually shoots a .50. Do you think he likes only having two round mags? Some of the comments in this thread are completely ridiculous.
How am I doing?
Some days I just shake my head and wonder how many people dropped out of school around grade 7.
I think it was beltfed who had it in his sig line a while ago that spelling and grammar count. Unfortunately most people these days don't understand how much it takes away from what they're saying when their audience feels like what they're reading was written by a child.
Still missing one,
Hey, look over there, is that a .50 Beowulf magazine? If the cops see that they're gonna bust him. I've heard they released a bulletin stating that their stance on them is that they're prohibited.
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I brought this up specifically a couple of pages back in this thread and I think it is a very important point. These insurance policies specifically make it known that you will not be covered for legal representation if you face charges related to restricted or prohibited firearms (and presumably accessories) if you do not hold the correct license to have those firearms. I am willing to bet a sizable amount of money that if someone gets dragged up on charges because of .50 beo mags, their insurance will tell them to pound sand.
Don't take this to think I'm not 100% in the "these should remain legal, as they always have been" camp. I think if they push this and win they might come after LAR mags next. Give em an inch, they'll take a mile. I just think people should be cautious when they think "#### it. I have insurance. I'll see them in court!" given the potential consequences and costs involved in a worst case scenario.
Runningfool
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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A) weak comparison but yeah, my insurance company has spoken on the Beowulf mag issue and confirmed coverage.
B) I have spoken at length about this issue with one of their directors. They have also stated their position that these mags remain legal. I don’t for a minute doubt that they would get involved and believe the only reason they didn’t do so in the most recent situation was because of the involvement of drugs and beo mags. I’m not saying I’m the right horse to bet on should I be charged, but I’m a horse without baggage.
C) the support of this community is anything but laughable. Even the recent case involving beo mags and pot had many many members willing to pony up cash to help this fight...even those who are dead-set against pot were willing to contribute their hard-earned dollars. There are a lot of us who want a beo mag charge fought by the very best and a precedent set; those people, like myself, are ready to contribute, to see this settled, to push back against so-called interpretations. Today they interpret this way and make up terms like dual use, what will they come up with tomorrow?
E) You think I should live in fear because of what the government may do to me? Thank god more people don’t think like you do or our country would be in far worse shape than it already is.
Read the last line of my post that you quoted...does that sound like I’m encouraging people to put themselves and their freedom at risk based on my opinion?
Brian has gone waaaaaaay past “simply passing on a warning”. I won’t say he’s fabricating his multiple CO magazine check stories, and I won’t say he may very well not even own a firearm chambered in 50 beo, and I won’t speculate on why he would be anti-Beowulf mags. But I will say that his posts, when looked at collectively, are down right peculiar and it appears I’m not the only one who has noticed this.
