It's Not Just Eotechs.
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Greenhorse six
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MuskokaJoe , thanks for taking the time to post here , good solid copy .
Now , Who knows who has the best price on EXPS3 right now ?
Now , Who knows who has the best price on EXPS3 right now ?
Dexter Morgan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Best reticle. 1 Moa Dot with big circle.
Crystal clear glass. No tint.
By far the best optic to use with a magnifier. No blob.
Easiest and fastest sight to turn on and off. Big buttons on the side.
Cheapest and most readily available batteries on the planet. AAs are available at any corner store.
That's just off the top of my head, from my own personal experience. Eotech model 518.
Well all these other companies technically have the similar thermal drift/paralax problems that was claimed in the U.S Lawsuit against Eotech. but at present Eotech is the only company being upfront of the reality where as Aimpoint is not giving full disclosure. Aimpoint still has operational temp ranges listed publicly even though, as we all know, and you've said yourself, all optics suffer from thermal drift. Same with Parallax error, Aimpoint still claims they're Parallax free. By your own words their product doesn't deliver as advertised. Most if not all these companies have the same or similar issue.
The fact that JTF2,CSOR for example are using the Eotech brand should be a clue ??? KiddX. Don’t you think some of these entities have done there own independent testing by now ? Think �� about it.
You mention here that - “the test also demonstrated the parallax at the extreme outer edges of the optical window which you would likely never use”. Clearly you are out of your depth commenting on this subject matter Kidd X. I’m aware of teams conducting substantial adverse condition/position Firearms training, much of which requires use of optics in exactly the fashion you claim they’ll “never use”. Add in the armour and kit these guys wear and it only adds to that less than ideal sight pictures in adverse positions...
Additionally, I suggest you take your own advice and avoid selectively reading the information here. Regarding IR signature the post clearly speaks to near peer capabilities. IR emissions from other optics are absolutely detectable at range under NODs. Your babbling on about what the naked eye can detect is absolutely irrelevant. Again, read the post thoroughly...
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Any time Greenhorse Six, my pleasure. Take in all the info you can and make the decision for yourself as to what will suit your needs best.
Cheers.
Right there any credibility that you may have had is out the window. Spoken like a true Liberal, its my opinion only that counts, not yours. Vortex is a fine brand and Scorpion is okay for those that need a scope but don't have a lot of money. Not all of us are elitists, and yes I own Vortex and Eotech as well as Leupold.
84wh1
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Dont get him started on Leupold.....LOL....... All the brands you mentioned are junk in the eyes of KiddX
Lots of world class shooters seem to like Vortex's higher end stuff.
Bang on !
I still use and love all 3 of my eotechs
I did make some money on the recall getting rid of old ones though.
I would gladly buy vortex again just based off the amazing customer service I got from them.
Every one raves about their leupold but that is one brand I won't buy. Had a bad experience. And didn't like the service I got. But that was 20 yrs ago.
You’re thinking of the wrong definition of FOV for RDS. You’re thinking of the classical view of the FOV from a rifle scope perspective. The bigger the window of the optic, the easier and faster it will be to find the dot and be able to centre that don’t onto a target. If window size doesn’t matter, then every optic out there would have a tiny window like a RMR.
Window size is not that big of a deal when just shooting while standing still or in prone. But it has its advantages elsewhere. That being said, I am not a fan of Eotechs.
I have seen many failures from Eotech 552 and can only speak on how unreliable that specific model is. Seen many where the emitter has came loose inside, faulty battery compartments, parasitic battery drains and poor windage and elevation adjustments.
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The 65 MOA circle is of little value at close range as it encompasses 18" at 25 yards. By the time you centre someone's torso in the ring the centre dot is well centered. At distance the ring is of near zero value other than an extreme holdover point, but a reddot is not a distance optic and shouldn't be used as such.
The tint of other reddot sights has ZERO effect on their performance, reliability, or usability. Tint is a weak excuse.
Magnifiers with reddot sights are a stop gap, not an ideal solution. Again, distance work is not what the reddot sight was designed for. Having used most reddot sights with magnifiers I will say there is little difference between them.
The sight should be on all the time. Unless of course your optic has a pathetic battery life like an Eotech. You realize the Aimpoint series has the easiest and most tactile on off switches. Oh and the Trijicon MRO is very tactile and easy to work.
It's a good thing some of Eotech sights use AA batteries as they seem to go through them with alarming regularity. Cr2032 coin cell batteries are also very common the globe over. Oh wait, An Aimpoint T1 needs a battery every 5 years so that doesn't really matter. The Comp M4 series needs a battery every 8 years. Oh wait, most Eotech users I see are using the cr123 models, so your claim of "available anywhere" batteries is not so valid.
The Eotech is still a large, heavy and unreliable optic. Sold by a company that is more concerned with profit than honestly and ethics.
Vortex is junk, anyone with a room temperature IQ knows this. Their high end stuff is ok, but then again who wants to buy products from a company that offers low end garbage to those who don't know any better as well as offering average optics at insane prices? Scorpion is absolutely trash. Talk about "budget" or "not a lot of money" is an excuse for not adjusting ones financial priorities or having the discipline to save for quality products. If having an optic is more important than having a quality optic then drive on. Don't pretend like you bought a quality optic when you haven't.
Competition shooters who are sponsored by Vortex?! Tell me more. Who cares what competitors use, and the top end of Vortex is average but over priced for what you get. Again, Vortex takes money from those who don't know any better by selling them low end junk while taking money for their top end stuff at inflated prices.
You’re thinking of the wrong definition of FOV for RDS. You’re thinking of the classical view of the FOV from a rifle scope perspective. The bigger the window of the optic, the easier and faster it will be to find the dot and be able to centre that don’t onto a target. If window size doesn’t matter, then every optic out there would have a tiny window like a RMR.
Size of the window and size of optic are not mutually exclusive. an RMR has reduced battery life(still better than an Eotech by a large margin)
and isn't quite as robust. It also has en exposed emitter which could be obstructed by debris. The window size should make no difference if you have any level of consistency with which you mount your rifle. Again, firing from odd or awkward positions is where the larger reddot sights offer a slight advantage over the RMR or similar miniture reddot sights. The larger reddot sights also have enclosed emitters, are more robust and are water tight to significant depth.
Window size is not that big of a deal when just shooting while standing still or in prone. But it has its advantages elsewhere. That being said, I am not a fan of Eotechs.
You're right the window size is of little value for traditional shooting positions, which I suspect is what the majority on this forum engage in.
Aside from that there is still very little gain in a larger window as you still must be looking where the barrel is pointed to apply the dot.
I have seen many failures from Eotech 552 and can only speak on how unreliable that specific model is. Seen many where the emitter has came loose inside, faulty battery compartments, parasitic battery drains and poor windage and elevation adjustments.
All points I've mentioned before but apparently the issues are false according to many...
I had an early 552 model that would eat batteries like no tomorrow. I also had contact failure a couple of times. This was with a sight built before L3 took control of Eotech. Like Sinasta I have seen several others fail. Battery drain is common and I witnessed two that had reticle fade and another guy who couldn't get his to zero. Now that could have been user error as I wasn't watching him zero.
Aimpoint has been the most fielded reddot in human history, does that make them unreliable in your world? Oh and Trijicon ACOG's are the most fielded optic ever in human history. Where does Eotech place??? Oh right, they got sued and offered refunds because their products are much superior... Who's drinking kool aid now??
(In the green and black.)
mebiuspower
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And what sight was on the HK416 that killed Bin Laden? Oops.
To be fair for those types of missions an Eotech is more ideal.
I actually agree with Kiddx on some points despite him sounding like he is slamming the table like after winning the super bowl at the bar, and on his 5th pint....lol. I would like to see KiddX buy an new Eotech though and make a few youtube vids to show us it's downfalls.
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I'm pretty sure every single head to head aimpoint vs eotech when it came to durability and reliability the aimpoint has won.
Does someone wanna fill me in on the ir emission difference between the aimpoints and eotechs?
As for vortex where the hell did that come from? Speaking of which how did that uh1 turn out? Came out and disappeared.
Does someone wanna fill me in on the ir emission difference between the aimpoints and eotechs?
As for vortex where the hell did that come from? Speaking of which how did that uh1 turn out? Came out and disappeared.
