I have found a very unusual 18Pdr projectile and i need info HELP!!!!

36 hamon

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Ok so i collect artillery shells and came upon what may be a rare beast ...its a Canadian marked SPITZER shaped round instead of the usual flat type base

it is marked as such

30
7
18 Pr

I C
B S
D A
W
4 39
I have shown it to a few collectors and they are stumped ....I would like to paint it back to the proper colours so if anyone has any info on this shell it would be greatly appreciated...yes i know pics would be nice but i cant ...just picture a modern 7.62 projectile and that is the shape this is Thank You
 
36 hamon said:
Ok so i collect artillery shells and came upon what may be a rare beast ...its a Canadian marked SPITZER shaped round instead of the usual flat type base

it is marked as such

30
7
18 Pr

I C
B S
D A
W
4 39
I have shown it to a few collectors and they are stumped ....I would like to paint it back to the proper colours so if anyone has any info on this shell it would be greatly appreciated...yes i know pics would be nice but i cant ...just picture a modern 7.62 projectile and that is the shape this is Thank You
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Pictures would help, but failing that some additional info would help.
1) What is the overall length of the projectile?
2) What is the driving band made of?
3) Is the driving band scored by rifling or not? If not, how far does it extend from the side of the projectile?
4) How far is the bottom of the driving band from the base of the projectile?
5) Are they any additional physical features on it, fuze, plug, tracer cavity, filler plug?
 
i was going to comment before that I thought this was a smoke or gas shell looks like it to me the driving band is clean no rifling marks hopefully the base is open and empty? how much does it weigh?
 
I'm looking at my manuals and not finding what I'm looking for...

18Pr and 4 39 seems to indicate its an 18 pounder from 1939.

so from the 1926 British manual

the following stampings will be found

1. steel maker's code letter and cast number
2. Mark of shell and letter denoting C.R.H
3. Caliber of shell
4. type of projectile e.g S.M.K for Smoke Shell
5. Makers initials of trade mark
6. contract number
7. Lot number
8. Date of completion of manufacture
9. Nature of material of which the projectile is made if not of forged steel
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now to figure out what IC is...
 
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36 hamon said:
Ok so i collect artillery shells and came upon what may be a rare beast ...its a Canadian marked SPITZER shaped round instead of the usual flat type base

it is marked as such

30
7
18 Pr

I C
B S
D A
W
4 39
I have shown it to a few collectors and they are stumped ....I would like to paint it back to the proper colours so if anyone has any info on this shell it would be greatly appreciated...yes i know pics would be nice but i cant ...just picture a modern 7.62 projectile and that is the shape this is Thank You
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Are you sure it isn't "I G" instead of "I C"?
 
I will double check and see if its a c or a g it looks like it may have been painted yellow at some point and i will do some measurements
 
Try a post on BOCN. British Ordnance Collectors Network.

Give them a clear picture of the markings along with measurements of the length, diameter, etc and someone there will almost surely have one and know what it is.
 
I have found out what it is ....they call it streamlined in the ordnance book i found ..... it is high explosive so it should be (and is now) yellow i still don't know what the initials are but can guess the D A may mean dominion arsenal...the one letter is a C not a G ...i do not have the correct fuze it should be a No 115 but all I have and it looks very close is a No 119...interesting project
 
yellow is HE Filled

Black if filled with powder

the different HE fillers had different coloured bands. Ie Lyddite had a black band and red band on the nose, amatol had a black tip with red band on the nose with a green band about 2/3 of the way down. Trotyl had a red band and the green ban 2/3 of the way down with TROTYL stencilled on the band. Shellite was top 1/2 green with a red band.... it goes on and on

I can't upload the pages as they are too big. shrinking them will loose all the information.
 
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