mebiuspower
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That's why there's still people using them!
It's Not Just Eotechs.
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That's why there's still people using them!
KiddX is just a grumpy malcontent. In another thread he stated that he openly mocked people he saw at the range with EoTechs. I would love to post a quote, but I long ago deleted my subscription to that thread. I had hoped I would never see his arrogant drivel again, but here I am...
Edit: Oh, no, I didn't unsub. Here is the quote:
Edit: Oh, no, I didn't unsub. Here is the quote:
he was shot with an IR aimer as the guys were wearing GPNVG 18's, you know the ones with quad tubes which makes using a standard optic impossible.
The downfalls have been reported by the FBI, NSW Crane, and Eotech themselves. They're also larger and heavier than other reddot sights with inferior waterborne specs, and battery life.
Again, your sample size of one somehow trumps the data compiled by the FBI, NSW Crane, and Eotech themselves. Would you care to elaborate on your exhaustive testing protocols that lead you to this conclusion??
Kidd X don't you dare diminish HK416 on this thread too or all...oh man..lol.
Look use whatever you want, you won't change my mind to not look at Eotech as a viable option. You have dismissed way to many facts, and are unreasonable in your conclusion. Eotech has moved on and is still getting contracts by the very organization you are citing, and they choose there gear, so give it a rest and face the actual reality. Pros are still buying them.
Look use whatever you want, you won't change my mind to not look at Eotech as a viable option. You have dismissed way to many facts, and are unreasonable in your conclusion. Eotech has moved on and is still getting contracts by the very organization you are citing, and they choose there gear, so give it a rest and face the actual reality. Pros are still buying them.
You're not that bright eh? The fact that his EoTech has never failed him, while subjective, cannot be trumped by any amount of data compiled by anyone. Nor has mine me. I think maybe you have a loose grasp on reality...
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I would love have those quad tube nods. Not that I can legally have one or afford one.
This ir emission off aimpoints would the ard killflashes help mask it further?
I don't get how he diminished the Hk416. He said bin laden got blasted by dude using nvg presumably a peq 15 and the quad tube nods
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Some ardent 416 fanboys would believe it.
The 416 is great, if you need a short barreled suppressed rifle as that is what they were designed to be and do. Other than that they offer nothing over a standard DI AR.
Eotech has changed their logo in an attempt to distance themselves from the 10 years of fraudulent sales of a bogus product. I have it on good authority that CSOR dudes are mostly using Aimpoints(largely due to failures with the Eotech sights) although some still choose the Eotech.
Not sure what "facts" I've dismissed? Their optics fail miserably and they admit to it. Quite sure many here just can't come to terms with that fact as they've invested themselves emotionally in their gear... Subsequently picking poorly as well. I will ask this again in hopes of a simple yes or no answer. Are you ok buying products from a company that knowingly sold defective optics to MIL and LE folks for nearly a decade???
You need to look into statistics and statistical data. A sample size of one means absolutely nothing. I'm sure there are still a couple of pintos driving around, does that mean they're a great car?? NO!! Everyone has a perfect record with their gear until it fails. The difference is the Eotech is a known failure on many levels and has been proven(that is with real data and testing, not personal experience) by the FBI, NSW Crane, and EOTECH themselves! What is hard to understand about that??? The people who make the sights admit they're faulty. Two other large organizations did their own testing and came to the conclusion that the sights are faulty. One guy's personal use and opinion is that the sights are NOT faulty... Yeah I would take my advice from that guy.
You need to look into statistics and statistical data. A sample size of one means absolutely nothing. I'm sure there are still a couple of pintos driving around, does that mean they're a great car?? NO!! Everyone has a perfect record with their gear until it fails. The difference is the Eotech is a known failure on many levels and has been proven(that is with real data and testing, not personal experience) by the FBI, NSW Crane, and EOTECH themselves! What is hard to understand about that??? The people who make the sights admit they're faulty. Two other large organizations did their own testing and came to the conclusion that the sights are faulty. One guy's personal use and opinion is that the sights are NOT faulty... Yeah I would take my advice from that guy.
You still don't get it do you? No one cares about your data. No one. Get over it. There are folks who have EoTech sights, they work just fine for them, that is indisputable at this point. No amount of parroted drivel is ever going to change that. Are you paid to disparage EoTech? I cannot imagine why you would waste so much time and energy trying to convince people who are never going to be convinced. I don't even read your posts at this point, I know what they say, and I know I don't care, and I know I'm not the only one.
You lost any and all respect when you said that you openly point and laugh at people at people who have EoTechs. Yours is not an opinion any reasonable person would value. Give up your crusade, or don't, I don't care, but you are not going to convince anyone who uses and likes EoTechs.
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Well it's clear you do read my posts otherwise you wouldn't be responding, so thanks for reading!
Second, it isn't my data it is the data collected by(wait for it).... The FBI, NSW Crane and EOTECH. You want to talk about discredited opinions. There's no way you can say "my Eotech works" when EOTECH says "no they're all defective". Remember, Eotech built it, you simply bought it. Do you think you(or any other individual) knows more about the sight than the folks who make them or two large organizations who spent millions testing them???
Your Eotech might "work fine for you" but only until it fails which it has a high likelihood of doing. Why anyone would willingly buy a product that fails to meet its own performance claims is astoundingly dumb to me. I have more respect for folks who buy cheap Chinese reddot sights, they don't expect much and were satisfied with the price. Eotech's are expensive and don't work so you're getting double screwed.
I will ask you the same question I have asked the others.
Are you ok buying a defective product from a company who sold said defective products to MIL and LE personnel for nearly a decade?
To break that down for the 42% of Canadian adults who don't possess the adequate literacy skills to comprehend complex sentences. What I'm asking is if you would buy broken product from a company that would sooner make money than sell you a functional product? Do you enjoy getting ripped off while possibly putting your life at risk by using their defective product?? A simple yes or no is all that's needed.
At the end of the day you're free to buy what you want. However don't pretend like Eotech sights are amazing or aren't full of flaws, and don't pretend like Eotech didn't sell broken equipment to MIL and LE folks as well as the public. They clearly had no intention of telling anyone of their shortcomings as they sold defective sights for nearly a decade. They only offered the refund after they got caught.
I literally read the first sentence of that response, the rest is gibberish. I will not be engaging you any further, I just wanted to state my piece on how I -and undoubtedly many others- feel in regards to your arrogant crusade. You can respond to this post, and undoubtedly you will, but I will neither bother to read it, or respond.
For the sake of others who will read(and can) I will respond. My posts are neither gibberish or arrogant. The data and hard facts are there. Eotech sights have many failings as admitted by Eotech and confirmed by the FBI and NSW Crane.
ETA: Buy what ever you want folks but be informed before spending your hard earned money.. That's the lesson.
Greenhorse six
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Is this true?
r34skyline
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I will answer. No. Not a new unit at retail cost and definitely not for a serious platform.
That being said a used unit on a 22lr? At the right price. Why not?
Dexter Morgan
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Kidd X.
You openly state that you don't care about who has the clearest glass, or the best reticle.
Nor do you care about which system works best when paired with a magnifier.
And since you don't care about such things; Eotech is definitely not for you.
But I still don't understand why you would throw away money on an Aimpoint.
For the average shooter; They don't do anything that a $125 Bushnell TRS-25 won't do.
You openly state that you don't care about who has the clearest glass, or the best reticle.
Nor do you care about which system works best when paired with a magnifier.
And since you don't care about such things; Eotech is definitely not for you.
But I still don't understand why you would throw away money on an Aimpoint.
For the average shooter; They don't do anything that a $125 Bushnell TRS-25 won't do.
Don’t argue 416 with me,you are way out of your field. The M27 416 adoption by USMC being an augment(not too replace M249 my view) to a platoon or section was my idea back in 2004 if not earlier. I knew about the 416 project early 2000’s. The Hk416 is an awesome weapon system, I doubt a civilian shooter like yourself would understand why at all without actual military/combative arms training shooting real 556 ammo through guns and seeing weapons at real failure points.
The proof and data that is public back up my claim in regards to its performance, and reasons of why it is a great weapon system. The benefits that came from the HK416 project and variants dramatically impacted the small arms world with immense positives.
Example the rail locking system recently copied by Gieselle being one small example.
As for Eotechs. They are still being bought by the best units out there. Yet you continue to ignore this fact. I own Aimpoint T1’s and have no problem using the Eotech line as well.
Yes Eotech has problems with some of there products, but does that mean things never change ?
