Claven2's Type 81 shooting review thread

Claven2 said:
Unlike many here, I have both. The ergonomics are better on the t81. The mags are also more robust. Bear in mind it's a 23 year newer design.

The vz58 is a good gun, but not decidedly any better. I would recommend handling both before choosing. In my case, I prefer shooting my t81. Also, not all vz type rifles are created equal. Read up on which models to avoid before choosing. The old restricted vz58s guns from 2005/2006 were the best of breed.
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This. You will soon find out about the 858 gremlin and "tabbed" bolts, it is to the 858 platform as the "bent" receiver is to the 81.

It could be argued though that the 858 issues are actually real and have some validity behind them, unlike the 81

And yes, I am part of the club that owns both. I appreciate them both for what they are and how they represent 2 seperate efforts to fill the same perceived need
 
klaus enuff said:
This. You will soon find out about the 858 gremlin and "tabbed" bolts, it is to the 858 platform as the "bent" receiver is to the 81.

It could be argued though that the 858 issues are actually real and have some validity behind them, unlike the 81

And yes, I am part of the club that owns both. I appreciate them both for what they are and how they represent 2 seperate efforts to fill the same perceived need
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Except there is s quick fix to tab the bolt for the cz858 gremlin. If you get a bent receiver on a T81 you could be SOL.

I will eventually get a T81 but I’m waiting until another vendor brings them in. Hopefully this will bring the price down and bring more attention to ensuring the quality is there.
 
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Epoxy7 said:
Except there is s quick fix to tab the bolt for the cz858 gremlin. If you get a bent receiver on a T81 you are SOL.

I will eventually get a T81 but I’m waiting until another vendor brings them in. Hopefully this will bring the price down and bring more attention to ensuring the quality is there.
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Until I see a picture of someone holding a straight edge to a receiver, either the internal or external surfaces, showing a banana curve and daylight between the two, I will continue to be a "bent reciever" skeptic. Misaligned trunions is a real but rare thing, that said it does not affect function.

The 858 bolt tabbing cure (for a very real issue that will paperweight your rifle) may also be solved by shimming a pin, depending on who you talk to about 858 fixes. Maybe I got lucky with my 858, I have never had any gremlin issues. Looks like I got lucky again with my 81's.
 
All the Cz858 bugs are relevant to mixmaster CZ surplus parts rifles.

CSA 7.62x39 rifles are new production milled receivers with Lothar Walther barrels.

I know it's unfair comparison as my Vz58 has red dot on it. But for real, 2 MOA vs 8 MOA with $300 difference between them new.
 
BlackVoid said:
All the Cz858 bugs are relevant to mixmaster CZ surplus parts rifles.

CSA 7.62x39 rifles are new production milled receivers with Lothar Walther barrels.

I know it's unfair comparison as my Vz58 has red dot on it. But for real, 2 MOA vs 8 MOA with $300 difference between them new.
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Your 2MOA with an optic against the worst group anyone has posted yet? Like one guy got 8MOA. Even Calibre Mag, who shot with a prototype sample with broken sights, got 4.5 MOA with irons back in the summer. So you are correct - it's not a fair comparison. FWIW, my VZ groups shrink by at least half when I mount optics.

Let's at least be fair here, and by the way, let's get back on topic. This is a T81 shooting thread, not a thread about modding the VZ58 for optics or the VZ58 bolt gremlin. There are lots of other CGN threads about that stuff already.
 
Claven2 said:
Your 2MOA with an optic against the worst group anyone has posted yet? Like one guy got 8MOA. Even Calibre Mag, who shot with a prototype sample with broken sights, got 4.5 MOA with irons back in the summer. So you are correct - it's not a fair comparison. FWIW, my VZ groups shrink by at least half when I mount optics.

Let's at least be fair here, and by the way, let's get back on topic. This is a T81 shooting thread, not a thread about modding the VZ58 for optics or the VZ58 bolt gremlin. There are lots of other CGN threads about that stuff already.
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Did you get better results from yours?

I got 4MOA at 50m, at least 2 other guys got the same results. I didn't shoot "usual" 5 shot groups and picked the best. Rested, 100 rounds at 50 m where front post covered target exactly left to right. My shooting flaws exhibited themselves as usual vertical stringing.

It is what it is, cheap chinese mass produced bullet hose, I like it and appreciate it for its historical value. But i don't get it how can anyone holding both in his hands believe that t81 is a better rifle than vz58.
 
BlackVoid said:
Did you get better results from yours?

I got 4MOA at 50m, at least 2 other guys got the same results. I didn't shoot "usual" 5 shot groups and picked the best. Rested, 100 rounds at 50 m where front post covered target exactly left to right. My shooting flaws exhibited themselves as usual vertical stringing.

It is what it is, cheap chinese mass produced bullet hose, I like it and appreciate it for its historical value. But i don't get it how can anyone holding both in his hands believe that t81 is a better rifle than vz58.
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I don't think the VZ58 is a better rifle than the T81, but I feel the reverse is also true. I feel them to be about equal with distinct trade-offs. But I will say that comparing one with optics to the other without is not a fair test.
 
The few group(s) I shot was on my first time out; my sights were off so I didn't shoot that many. Once I was able to figure out where to holdover so as to land rounds on paper I shot exactly one 5 round group which measured about 4" at 110 yards. I didn't see the point of trying to shoot for more groups with sights not adjusted and with my hold established I proceeded to shoot at my 8" square gong for the remainder of the shoot.

My second time out I had my sight tool and was able to adjust them correctly, however range conditions were not good for shooting groups (cold and dark) and so I only shot my gong. At 75 yards or so my hit percentage was almost 100%, all my misses I felt were due to me rushing or pulling shots. This was shooting off a bench with a front rest.

I am confident I can maintain 4" groups and with time I will do even better.
 
My folder shot 5 rounds of czech in a diamond shaped pattern that measured 3" CTC @50yrds...... =6 MOA basically. This is with irons, a 12" sight radius lol, front supported, and in -23 temperature. I dont blame the trigger at all. I really like the trigger as far as x39 guns go.

IF u agree with Claven2's optics will shrink pattern size by half theory.... (which i do, for commie guns atleast) my type 81 could be a 3 MOA shooter. This seems like a reasonable prediction, and that may shrink another .5 MOA say with SST's or something better than surplus.
 
Tip top post.

I'm glad you noticed how spoiled Canadian consumers are with the abundance of milled, military-grade, self-loading rifles for under $300.
 
Thanks OP. I was caught up with army stuff (field exercise) for a month when the first batch of these were on sale and when I finally had the time/willingness to bite the bullet and buy one, they were sold out. I'm not going to make the same mistake twice and ordered mine (fixed stock, five extra magazines) last night. I'm really looking forward to it.
 
In another thread, I offered to post "how to" photos to convert the safety to 90 degrees. A couple people PM'd me asking me to please do that, so as promised, here are the photos of how to do it.

The photos should speak for themselves, but feel free to ask any questions.

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And that should do it. Reassemble and you now have a 90 degree safety.
 
That's not surprising, the T97 is a copy of the T95, which was developed from the Type 87. The Type 87 used a lot of T81 parts, including the selector. So there is direct lineage.
 
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