NEW M305 broke the bolt!

Smitsauce said:
Wouldn't this still be under warranty?? Did you contact the seller where you bought it?
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The rifle as well as the ammo was bought from SFRC. Failure happened yesterday, sent them an E mail coming back from the range. Im still waiting on an answer. I had good experiences with their customer service in the past, im sure they will help on this...
 
45ACPKING said:
do you have any real knowledge and experience with the M14 platform ? if not , pipe down and let the rest of us who do , offer our thoughts.

we are seeing far too many broken bolts lately, a problem rarely seen when i had the shop open servicing these rifles. As someone who has handled 100's of the chinese M14S/M305 rifles, in nearly all configurations..... I can say that this brittle bolt situation is a new issue. The fact that since joining here in 2006, pretty much 80 to 90% of my posted content has been pertaining to this platform, I can say without a doubt, that these suspect bolts are either the rejects from previous years manufacture...... or somewhere in china , they are manufacturing new bolts. Who knows what goes on in China, maybe they never did stop making M14S/M305 parts.... maybe they just recently , in past few years, brought machinery out of storage and started up again.

Someone out there knows, but I don't. What I do know is that a fella that has wayyyyy more experienced in these things and has had business dealings with norinco/polytech for decades dropped some info on me back in 2010. I was told that the china was at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the parts manufactured for these rifles, including receivers, in the 90's, that brought us all those excellent rifles 98 to 09.
The proof is in the pudding..... something changed after 2009 ..... right around the time we started seeing other companies invest in the chinese firearms and doing thier own importing. I have not been comfortable buying a chinese m14 type rifle of any year after 2009... and I have never broken a chinese M14 bolt. I've also put 1000's of rounds down range in 100's of chinese m14 type rifles from stock to highly modified..... and never broken a bolt.

I'm not an expert...... I just play one on CGN
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"do you have any real knowledge and experience with the M14 platform ? if not , pipe down and let the rest of us who do , offer our thoughts."

" I can say without a doubt, that these suspect bolts are either the rejects from previous years manufacture...... or somewhere in china , they are manufacturing new bolts. Who knows what goes on in China, maybe they never did stop making M14S/M305 parts.... maybe they just recently , in past few years, brought machinery out of storage and started up again." Can say without a doubt they might be this, or they might be that, or they could be..... lol what the hell????

" "Someone out there knows, but I don't."

I'm not an expert...... I just play one on CGN

You condescendingly jump all over buddy like that then follow it up logic and anecdotal information like this, wow.
 
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45ACPKING said:
and this is my next question.
The rifle should be returned , it is faulty and could have seriously injured the shooter.
I am all for supporting John @ M14medic.ca and refer anyone contacting me for builds to his bench..... but at the same time, dealers need to be held accountable when they sell us faulty dangerous goods. I'm sure Norinco isn't going to issue a bolt recall but if the dealers and importers aren't held accountable..... you will still be finding faulty rifles on the shelves and in the EE , waiting for the next unsuspecting m14 enthusiast to have a bad experience.

I hope all the dealers of these rifles are reading this thread and my comments.
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I'm kind of with you on this, though a part of me thinks that's what I get for buying chinese lol.

I worked in the scrap steel industry for a while a few years back, feeding a foundry near Montreal. The chinese were sucking all the scrap in the world at the time and driving prices way up. I'd be willing to bet they don't mess around separating all that metal in different grades like we did, before they melt it back into ''new scrap''. Notably copper and lead contamination in steel make it easier to machine but a lot weaker. It would have been nice to have access to the equipment I had back then to test the composition of steel... If someone does have access to that kind of equipment I would be willing to send them my broken bolt. At least it would clarify for everyone if remaking the heat treatment has any value or if its just hopelessly bad steel.
 
I have an older late 90's built M305 that some claimed had bad bolts, but mine has been good so far with a few crates. Trigger went south so replaced it with a USGI one and have not looked back.
Warranty with Norinco is usually when you buy it new from dealer/distributor. After that it's aftermarket.
After working on Norc 1911's, I just get a Wilson or other make when the parts fail.

Try and return ASAP
 
45ACPKING said:
do you have any real knowledge and experience with the M14 platform ? if not , pipe down and let the rest of us who do , offer our thoughts.

we are seeing far too many broken bolts lately, a problem rarely seen when i had the shop open servicing these rifles. As someone who has handled 100's of the chinese M14S/M305 rifles, in nearly all configurations..... I can say that this brittle bolt situation is a new issue. The fact that since joining here in 2006, pretty much 80 to 90% of my posted content has been pertaining to this platform, I can say without a doubt, that these suspect bolts are either the rejects from previous years manufacture...... or somewhere in china , they are manufacturing new bolts. Who knows what goes on in China, maybe they never did stop making M14S/M305 parts.... maybe they just recently , in past few years, brought machinery out of storage and started up again.

Someone out there knows, but I don't. What I do know is that a fella that has wayyyyy more experienced in these things and has had business dealings with norinco/polytech for decades dropped some info on me back in 2010. I was told that the china was at the bottom of the barrel when it came to the parts manufactured for these rifles, including receivers, in the 90's, that brought us all those excellent rifles 98 to 09.
The proof is in the pudding..... something changed after 2009 ..... right around the time we started seeing other companies invest in the chinese firearms and doing thier own importing. I have not been comfortable buying a chinese m14 type rifle of any year after 2009... and I have never broken a chinese M14 bolt. I've also put 1000's of rounds down range in 100's of chinese m14 type rifles from stock to highly modified..... and never broken a bolt.

I'm not an expert...... I just play one on CGN
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Aw man! I had a 2007! It was a long barreled Norinco M14S. I sold it because i got a DA socom 18 on a trade for my old macbook. Frig.

I gave the guy a sweet deal too! $550 shipped with wood and synthetic stocks in a cheapo hard case too! The new one is a 2013. Hopefully the bolt is good. Hind sight is 20/20 i guess.
 
RRH.01 said:
"do you have any real knowledge and experience with the M14 platform ? if not , pipe down and let the rest of us who do , offer our thoughts."

" I can say without a doubt, that these suspect bolts are either the rejects from previous years manufacture...... or somewhere in china , they are manufacturing new bolts. Who knows what goes on in China, maybe they never did stop making M14S/M305 parts.... maybe they just recently , in past few years, brought machinery out of storage and started up again." Can say without a doubt they might be this, or they might be that, or they could be..... lol what the hell????

" "Someone out there knows, but I don't."

I'm not an expert...... I just play one on CGN

You condescendingly jump all over buddy like that then follow it up logic and anecdotal information like this, wow.
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My thoughts too, kindof an ignorrant comment....
 
C.308 said:
Aw man! I had a 2007! It was a long barreled Norinco M14S. I sold it because i got a DA socom 18 on a trade for my old macbook. Frig.

I gave the guy a sweet deal too! $550 shipped with wood and synthetic stocks in a cheapo hard case too! The new one is a 2013. Hopefully the bolt is good. Hind sight is 20/20 i guess.
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For what it's worth, I bought a 2013 made M305 in 2014 and shot over 2000(ish) rounds with it and I have had no issue at all.
 
ComradeVlad said:
My thoughts too, kindof an ignorrant comment....
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Oh là là ! Oh là là ! 45ACPKING is now spewing out ignorant comments ? Take a look at his post numbers, mostly on the M14 Platform. Maybe you should read them all before dropping your gloves against him ... He deserves more respect.

And I thought that I had seen it all. Obviously, despite my old age, I am not old enough - I guess.

When 45ACPKING speaks, you listen, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
 
Yupe 2017 join date and he knows it all. Those guys 45acpking,purple etc.. have forgotten more than we will ever know about the m14.
They have my respect!

Snowy Owl said:
Oh là là ! Oh là là ! 45ACPKING is now spewing out ignorant comments ? Take a look at his post numbers, mostly on the M14 Platform. Maybe you should read them all before dropping your gloves against him ... He deserves more respect.

And I thought that I had seen it all. Obviously, despite my old age, I am not old enough - I guess.

When 45ACPKING speaks, you listen, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
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Snowy Owl said:
Oh là là ! Oh là là ! 45ACPKING is now spewing out ignorant comments ? Take a look at his post numbers, mostly on the M14 Platform. Maybe you should read them all before dropping your gloves against him ... He deserves more respect.
And I thought that I had seen it all. Obviously, despite my old age, I am not old enough - I guess.
When 45ACPKING speaks, you listen, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
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You nailed it, S.O...also I love his use of "ignorrant"
 
Dake21 said:
For what it's worth, I bought a 2013 made M305 in 2014 and shot over 2000(ish) rounds with it and I have had no issue at all.
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I wonder if there is a new importer? TS says his S/N starts with P14###x which is a departure from the norm.
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Hitzy said:
I wonder if there is a new importer? TS says his S/N starts with P14###x which is a departure from the norm.
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mine starts with P14... bought it from the same outfit, 3 years ago. same electro pencil info. replaced the bolt with TRW to close up headspace, the rear sight gears were crap, replaced that as well. gets out of the safe the most.
 
Snowy Owl said:
Oh là là ! Oh là là ! 45ACPKING is now spewing out ignorant comments ? Take a look at his post numbers, mostly on the M14 Platform. Maybe you should read them all before dropping your gloves against him ... He deserves more respect.

And I thought that I had seen it all. Obviously, despite my old age, I am not old enough - I guess.

When 45ACPKING speaks, you listen, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
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Completely agree!!

Should also add, the last thing we need is to have more knowledgeable CGN members run off needlessly.
 
I have two 2013’s one is a DA Socom other Norinco shorty. Both receivers seem in spec now have USGI bolts, trigger groups, sites, op rods and one has GI gas system. Bought them both new never fired the socom but the shorty ran like a champ out of the box. That said these are the only two Chinese built M14’s I will ever own. LRB receivers with GI parts kits for me. No faith in the off shore brands any more. Use to be soft bolts now to hard! Just not worth my life or eyes!!
 
Snowy Owl said:
Oh là là ! Oh là là ! 45ACPKING is now spewing out ignorant comments ? Take a look at his post numbers, mostly on the M14 Platform. Maybe you should read them all before dropping your gloves against him ... He deserves more respect.

And I thought that I had seen it all. Obviously, despite my old age, I am not old enough - I guess.

When 45ACPKING speaks, you listen, c-a-r-e-f-u-l-l-y.
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Canuck1977 said:
Completely agree!!

Should also add, the last thing we need is to have more knowledgeable CGN members run off needlessly.
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Post count or particular knowledge on one subject does not excuse poor behaviour.

OP - what were you shooting for ammo? Did you complete a detailed strip and cleaning of the rifle including the bolt?
If you can, post a photo of the bolt, the receiver and the cartridge or remains if you can.
 
beltfed said:
Post count or particular knowledge on one subject does not excuse poor behaviour.

OP - what were you shooting for ammo? Did you complete a detailed strip and cleaning of the rifle including the bolt?
If you can, post a photo of the bolt, the receiver and the cartridge or remains if you can.
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I tried posting photos...doesn't work... It is the exact same failure as this post, wich got great photos:


https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/for...953-So-this-just-happened-Game-over-man-gt-lt

I see on his pictures the same coarse steel grain on the fractured faces as well. Upon fracture the extractor spring went who knows where.

I was shooting aguila 7.62X51 FMJ 150gr:
https://www.theammosource.com/store...ucts_id=5576&zenid=i6d4nhbeoh1evgk7mp0fpd85t0

Nothing too exotic...headstamped 16 wich I guess is the production year. Shot some 17 previously too.

I disasembled and cleaned the gun when I receieved it (was pretty oily), but I didn't go crazy about it with solvents and all...I basically just wiped everything dry and oiled back the moving parts.

I have to say that part of the bolt is under considerable stress in pretty much all directions, op rod slamming against it and all, its responsible for all the bolt movement. But then I would be willing to bet its more of a material issue than a design issue, that particular design having quite the track record...

For the record SFRC won't take charge of the warranty, they are refering me to north sylva. Ill see where this goes...
 
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