beo mags, yes beo mags, what's going on?

So, issue of putting 223 in the mag aside-
how can the rcmp actually make a state ment that the 2 Round pinned for beo is legal, no more beo rounds allowed when it clear as day says a centerfire cartridge magazine for use in a rifle shall be limited to 5. Would a court not just throw out the case because of the fact that the mag Holding more than 2 but no more than 5 is perfectly legal? Like put the lab guy in the courtroom up on the stand to make an A$$ of himself in front of everyone, it’s rediculous for them to say No more than 2 rounds
 
Brian, clearly, you only see this from a Police officers view.
Not a lawyer,crown etc.
That’s fine, I know a few LEO,and have great respect for them, not because they’re LEO, but because they’re good people.

We can argue till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, nobody wins.

D.O.J and RCMP are on record,saying BEO mags are legal,(2013).

Now (2017) RCMP are saying they’re prohibited.

That says that they don’t know what they are.

So until it’s clearly written in law, I’m going by the 2013 interpretation.

Now if the RCMP want to charge me,then so be it.
But I highly doubt the crown will pursue.

I’d like to add that I’m a law abiding citizen and would never break any laws:):)
 
Brianma65 said:
Brian, clearly, you only see this from a Police officers view.
Not a lawyer,crown etc.
That’s fine, I know a few LEO,and have great respect for them, not because they’re LEO, but because they’re good people.

We can argue till the cows come home, but at the end of the day, nobody wins.

D.O.J and RCMP are on record,saying BEO mags are legal,(2013).

Now (2017) RCMP are saying they’re prohibited.

That says that they don’t know what they are.

So until it’s clearly written in law, I’m going by the 2013 interpretation.

Now if the RCMP want to charge me,then so be it.
But I highly doubt the crown will pursue.

I’d like to add that I’m a law abiding citizen and would never break any laws:):)
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I see your point of view, don't get me wrong. I have a bigger vested interest than most for 5 round capacity, I could care less what someone else jammed in the mag, but that is what took away my 5 round capacity in the first place, so here we are.

I don't think anyone advocating for their legality has gone nearly as far as I have to find documentation favorable to the situation.

Talk to Bill Alexander about what he used to design the first magazine/based his production model off of. It is only favorable to one side of this argument unfortunately.

Sit down with a criminal defence attorney with firearm expertise and have them lay out what you are up against in the event you are charged or want to attempt a legal challenge.

I even paid my law firm to try and dig up anything on the case where the guy claimed the charges were dropped and prohibited mags returned and came up with zero.

Civil non compliance is not a friend to legal gun ownership when it comes to how you are viewed in the courtroom, so hopefully those advocating here are untraceable in the event they are dragged into court

It was 2013/2014 the RCMP said they were prohibited through various emails to retailers and manufacturers, cbsa then stopped shipments, FRT was modified 2016 if I remember correctly
 
supahdave said:
So, issue of putting 223 in the mag aside-
how can the rcmp actually make a state ment that the 2 Round pinned for beo is legal, no more beo rounds allowed when it clear as day says a centerfire cartridge magazine for use in a rifle shall be limited to 5. Would a court not just throw out the case because of the fact that the mag Holding more than 2 but no more than 5 is perfectly legal? Like put the lab guy in the courtroom up on the stand to make an A$$ of himself in front of everyone, it’s rediculous for them to say No more than 2 rounds
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If it comes to light the 50 Beowulf mag was originally designed by modification of a 223/556 magazine then the capacity is limited to that caliber and not the one it was adapted to work with after the fact

This would be a non issue if the adaptation destroyed its ability to hold and/or chamber one round of 223/556 like the 450 bushmaster or Remington 30ar stanag pattern magazine
 
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2013 ,they said it was legal,as well.
Can’t be both ways.

That says,they don’t know.

And there’s no way to prove it.

So they gotta rewrite the law.

If the glove don’t fit ,you gotta aquit:)
 
What info? It’s a magazine , not a spaceship.

Your the one who got shafted.. or thinks you have.

2 rounds in a mag??? That makes no sense.

May as well single feed.


I guess a lot of people see this differently, and we’ll never know.

I’m pretty sure this will never end up in a courtroom,as there’s no chance of a conviction,as it stands right now.
 
Brianma65 said:
What info? It’s a magazine , not a spaceship.

Your the one who got shafted.. or thinks you have.

2 rounds in a mag??? That makes no sense.

May as well single feed.


I guess a lot of people see this differently, and we’ll never know.

I’m pretty sure this will never end up in a courtroom,as there’s no chance of a conviction,as it stands right now.
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If it was designed by modifying a 223/556 mag originally or not. I already said you should speak to Bill Alexander as I have, but I guess keyboard punching is as far as most are willing to go for a few $70 magazines they have.

I think you will see an definitive answer a lot sooner than you think with our new government fully backing the horsemans agenda, well, its really that they both have the same agenda
 
When someone says "a lot sooner than you think" in regards to government process, that means quicker than it usually takes, but still a painfully slow pace compared to the time frames that the rest of the country operates under.

Thanks for the lesson on the process, with such research skills you should have written documentation to show the mags are in fact legal to share with the courts in no time
 
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The problem will all of this is it assumes the 50 Beo mag is its own design, and thus allowed to hold 5 rounds of 50 Beo. In that capacity, it is perfectly legal to load more than 5 rounds of 556.

The issue at hand is the fact that the RCMP claim the 50 Beo mag is not an original design, but rather an adaptation of a typical 556 magazine. In THAT capacity, it must be limited to 5 rounds of 556.

The other issue is nobody will really know which is the right answer until this goes to court... Or whats more likely is the Liberals will put more restrictive magazine laws on us and all of this will be a moot point.


As for the argument that the RCMP once declared them legal, thats not going to hold up. Things change with time. If the RCMP is to get new information that makes them believe a previous decision they made was incorrect, it only makes sense that they would look into and rectify it. I would say its very similar to them deciding the 858 are in fact converted automatics and thus prohib.
 
LeadMonkey said:
If that's true, as it is the RCMP's or DOJ's error by declaring them legal property in 2013, by 'rectify this' certainly you must be referring to an all out notification to every citizen who has ever possessed a PAL and may be in possession of said once legal property, officially requesting surrender and outlining the terms of their official buy back program offering full retail value of over $100 CAD per magazine, applying to the multiple tens of thousands of magazines once held as legal personal property, now being confiscated.

Failure to do so WILL result in yet ANOTHER class action lawsuit... these horse cops are digging a hole from whence they will never get out of.
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they were not required to send out notifications in the past when items went prohib, why would they now?

They were also not required to reimburse the owners in the past when items that changed status were confiscated, why would they now?

What is the current class action? The 10/22 magazines? Lol, it's dead, zero update

There is not tens of thousands of beowulf mags in this country.
 
Deckard said:
I can't wait for a new design that does the same thing for some of you to twist over.
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I think this situation will make a manufacturer think twice about investing money into producing a product that will only see a short period of sales before no retailer will take a risk selling them
 
LeadMonkey said:
If that's true, as it is the RCMP's or DOJ's error by declaring them legal property in 2013, by 'rectify this' certainly you must be referring to an all out notification to every citizen who has ever possessed a PAL and may be in possession of said once legal property, officially requesting surrender and outlining the terms of their official buy back program offering full retail value of over $100 CAD per magazine, applying to the multiple tens of thousands of magazines once held as legal personal property, now being confiscated.

Failure to do so WILL result in yet ANOTHER class action lawsuit... these horse cops are digging a hole from whence they will never get out of.
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By rectify I mean change their legal status. They did none of the things you suggest when they changed their opinion on the 858 or 10/22 mags. Why would these be any different?
 
Suther said:
By rectify I mean change their legal status. They did none of the things you suggest when they changed their opinion on the 858 or 10/22 mags. Why would these be any different?
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They interpreted those wrong as well.
And if nothing gets done about it, well,around and round she goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
Get the picture.
 
I just don’t understand the govs reasoning on this issue.

With all the info floating around, can’t they understand, there’s really no difference between a 5,10,15 round mag.

Do they truly believe a pop rivit is going to make a difference,to a criminal?

It’s really pathetic actually.
 
Brianma65 said:
They interpreted those wrong as well.
And if nothing gets done about it, well,around and round she goes, where it stops, nobody knows.
Get the picture.
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So what are you doing about it?

I have spent a considerable amount of $ looking for evidence that could be used to prove they are legal.

Maybe one of you non compliance advocates can make the guy who claimed he was charged and had his mags returned cough up a file number.
 
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