Army Chief Talks Plan for the Service's Next Battle Rifle

[Deano]

Had US Army Ordnance actually succeeded in cloning the MG 42 (they failed due to dimensional errors), they would be far ahead of where they ended up with the M60. The M60 uses a similar belt feed mechanism to the MG 42, but it eliminates two-stage feeding, which is the best thing about that mechanism. That is to say, the MG 42 advances the belt halfway each on the rearward and return stroke of the bolt, instead of doing it all on one stroke. The advantage of this is a much smoother feed of the belt.

The M60 operates more like an FG 42 with belt instead of magazine feeding.

I made no claim that the US did a good job with their cloning. Some would argue that the Springfield is not made as well as the Mauser. My point was that that the US has adopted more foreign designs than you alluded to. You said there were two. Off the top of my head I rattled off another 8. If you include other types of weapons (Artillery for example) there's probably more.

I leave any comments as to quality of any weapons to others.

 

[Gunnerlove]

It does not matter because the real issue is lack of quality training and the lack of operator skill it generates.
It is a Western World Wide problem that is not going to be corrected by a new cartridge.

 

[tjhaile]

I made no claim that the US did a good job with their cloning. Some would argue that the Springfield is not made as well as the Mauser. My point was that that the US has adopted more foreign designs than you alluded to. You said there were two. Off the top of my head I rattled off another 8. If you include other types of weapons (Artillery for example) there's probably more.

I leave any comments as to quality of any weapons to others.

I think you have me partly confused with another poster. I absolutely concur that the US has made extensive use of foreign weapons.

That said, the biggest flops in US military small arms have tended to come from the arsenal system, rather than outside designs (not just US versus foreign).

-FAL vs. M14
-MAG 58 vs. M60
-M73 and M85 tank machine guns
-SPIW

The M1 Garand is a conspicuous exception to this.

To get back to the topic of this thread, any change that results in troops ending up with a heavier rifle than the M4 using heavier ammunition than 5.56mm would be a step in the wrong direction. This is assuming that a field-able cased telescopic weapon can be built.

 

[yohann160]

It does not matter because the real issue is lack of quality training and the lack of operator skill it generates.
It is a Western World Wide problem that is not going to be corrected by a new cartridge.

Yes.

Unfortunately, the budget needs to be blown on something entirely superfluous or else next year's budget will be cut.

And now for something completely different.

 

[Canadian Sig]

Well the Marines have made their choice....and it's European.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-heckler-koch-m27-the-marines-new-rifle-24019

 

[cancer]

So what ever happened to that monstrosity of a bullpup that was being designed as a replacement for the CF?

Cancelled

 

[greentips]

Well the Marines have made their choice....and it's European.

http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/the-heckler-koch-m27-the-marines-new-rifle-24019

The USMC are practical people, they have no patience for fantasy.

And funny thing the M110A1 aka HK417 Americanized is basically a main battle rifle now. They cut it down to 8.8lb and the barrel is as skinny as the M14.