102 rifle build cost from stripped upper/ lower

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Wondering from people who have experience building rifles similar to the 102 if one that was significantly better than buying the complete one could be built for a similar price...factoring the $800 for the stripped set. I haven't really priced out what it takes as I don't really know what parts are compatible but the $1750 complete rifle seems like a pretty good deal next to the cost of those stripped sets. I'm considering changing my pre-order but don't want to get in way over my head if the change in accuracy could simply be accomplished with better ammo.

Upper/Lower - $800
Trigger pack - $250?
Handguard - $300?
BCG - $250?
Barrel - $???
Stock/Buffer tube/spring - $???
Grip - $75??
Gas block/Tube - $???
Flash Hider - $100?
Misc parts - $???
Magazine - $50
Case - $?? (dont know what they ship with)

All my estimated could be totally wrong...just examples, but also shipping and USD conversion might also drive up the build price
 
The stripped set costs are out to lunch, imho and those that are flogging them are out to gouge.

There are many factors that could attribute to lower or higher costs, but as a generality the costs of an AR-10 build should ballpark out at:

$400-800 - pre-fit barrel c/w gas tube and basic low profile gas block
$20-200 - muzzle device
$100-300 - FF handguard
$100-300 - butt stock c/w buffer tube, spring & buffer
$100-300 - trigger group
$100 - small parts completion kit
$400-500 upper and lower stripped receivers.

That’s $1250 on the low side with min./bare bones gear while the high side of $2500 represents a well appointed rifle.

The lower end ballpark costs are achievable because we see lower end AR-10s on the market for those prices.
The upper end would employ better quality triggers, barrel, bolt & furniture.
 
I don't have an opinion on their pricing really although it seems inline with what's currently available (actually nothing else currently available). Just wanted to flush out what a build might cost compared to buying the complete rifle.
 
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I'm a prettty average shooter and don't really require top if the line components. Havent handled the rifle yet myself but I'm sure it will suit my average needs
 
tharkhold said:
Even with the receivers being 1000-1200$, I still would rather get those than a 'complete' rifle with vanilla components, which all end up in a bin anyways.
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Just curious, but what parts of the ‘vanilla components’ are going to end up in the bin? Presumably you’ll see them as junk, as they are slated for the bin; in what ways are they holding you or the platform back?
 
beltfed said:
Just curious, but what parts of the ‘vanilla components’ are going to end up in the bin? Presumably you’ll see them as junk, as they are slated for the bin; in what ways are they holding you or the platform back?
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End product:
titanium BCG+firing pin
titanium adjust gas block
lightweight barrel
minimalist muzzle device
SLR handguard
other grip (hate the A2's - not sure which grip yet)
SSA Geiselle Trigger
Minimalist stock
BCM charge handle

All base parts will be thrown in a bin if I ever sell the rifle, but not bloody likely. Probably sold off as a pack...

I like lightweight stuff... it's an expensive taste.. lol I'm probably also gonna remove excess material on the receivers, like the round parts on the upper that matches up with the OEM handguard, also gonna shave off the awful magwell outside flares, i absolutely hate those.
 
beltfed said:
Just curious, but what parts of the ‘vanilla components’ are going to end up in the bin? Presumably you’ll see them as junk, as they are slated for the bin; in what ways are they holding you or the platform back?
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Trigger (gritty), gas block (fixed with no ability to adjust for under/over gassing), hand guard (heavy), barrel (inaccurate), stock (no rubber butt to prevent slipping and a user already had crack from clearing a jam), charging handle (extremely sharp and non ambi), dust cover (doesn't fit the port correctly), muzzle break (doesn't provide best recoil management or look that great) and bolt carrier group (build quality doesn't match a $120 Brownells bolt assembly.)

With the receiver sets now being $799.95 I'm kind of annoyed that the second preorder holders don't qualify for them as I have the majority of the parts I listed above. That means I paid $950 for parts that I'm mostly just ripping off and not going to use.
 
Another consideration might be the lack of lifetime warranty if you build it yourself from the stripped sets. Ryan didn't mention anything but I would assume its "build at your own risk"
 
I'd assume the receivers would still be under some kind of warranty. As long as they're built to spec and properly heat treated I don't see any issues with them.

dsmart said:
Another consideration might be the lack of lifetime warranty if you build it yourself from the stripped sets. Ryan didn't mention anything but I would assume its "build at your own risk"
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Who wants a warranty? I am interested in a quality product that is properly QC'ed.

Stripped uppers and lowers should be relatively low risk as far as NEA products are concerned. Uppers and lowers merely line up the important/stress bearing part.

I am skeptical if the "one time only" gimmick. I'll bet they will be available again i. 6 months at lower pricing à la Colt Canada. Deliberate scarcity is a cheap sales tactic.
 
yohann160 said:
Who wants a warranty? I am interested in a quality product that is properly QC'ed.

Stripped uppers and lowers should be relatively low risk as far as NEA products are concerned. Uppers and lowers merely line up the important/stress bearing part.

I am skeptical if the "one time only" gimmick. I'll bet they will be available again i. 6 months at lower pricing à la Colt Canada. Deliberate scarcity is a cheap sales tactic.
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I dont think it's deliberate... The whole "receiver only" wasn't originally planned. BCL still has to build all the complete rifles that were ordered before venturing in other venues (offerings).

If the receiver sets were offered at this price from the start, I would have gotten 2 for sure!
 
HirvGotti said:
Trigger (gritty), gas block (fixed with no ability to adjust for under/over gassing), hand guard (heavy), barrel (inaccurate), stock (no rubber butt to prevent slipping and a user already had crack from clearing a jam), charging handle (extremely sharp and non ambi), dust cover (doesn't fit the port correctly), muzzle break (doesn't provide best recoil management or look that great) and bolt carrier group (build quality doesn't match a $120 Brownells bolt assembly.)

With the receiver sets now being $799.95 I'm kind of annoyed that the second preorder holders don't qualify for them as I have the majority of the parts I listed above. That means I paid $950 for parts that I'm mostly just ripping off and not going to use.
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So you’re going to be doing all of that without even receiving your rifle yet?
Call me crazy, but I think I’ll hold off and at least fondle and do a detailed strip, cleaning and range session before I pass judgement on it.
 
beltfed said:
So you’re going to be doing all of that without even receiving your rifle yet?
Call me crazy, but I think I’ll hold off and at least fondle and do a detailed strip, cleaning and range session before I pass judgement on it.
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Where am I wrong? Has a single person claimed it has a nice trigger? the hand guard isn't heavy? the butt stock does have rubber and didn't split apart when slammed to clear a round that wouldn't extract? the gas block is adjustable? the dust cover does cover the port fully? The barrel didn't go under extensive review funded by members of CGN that showed it to not quite be MOA? The charging handle is ambidextrous and not sharp?

I'm not saying it's a bad rifle as is I'm saying it can be much better and the receiver set release is a better option for those that want the better rifle and don't plan on keeping a bone stock 102. I'm cheesed that by being on the second preorder I am excluded from that option. (Especially when I can now put a price tag of $950 for parts I'm mostly stripping off)
 
I am having trouble understanding how people state how horrible these rifles are out of the box, yet most if not all have not even handled one. If One person has an issue then that translates to every rifle has that issue?
I have a BCL102 in ODG from the first wave and have experienced no issues (and I don't want to hear that I must be one of the lucky ones).
The accuracy of the rifle averages 1 MOA, depending on the ammunition used. You could spend thousands trying to get 1/2 MOA or less, but it will never happen consistently as there is just too much mass moving with every shot.
I have a stock Ruger American 308 I use for hunting that's shoots < 1/2 MOA consistently, and it only cost me CND$379.
If you are looking for a tack driver, you are looking at the wrong type of rifle.
If you are looking for a large frame AR that doesn't cost > CND$2000, accurate enough for hunting and shooting steel then this rifle fits the bill.
As a matter of fact I am on the 3rd preorder for a FDE model.
 
Stephano said:
I am having trouble understanding how people state how horrible these rifles are out of the box, yet most if not all have not even handled one. If One person has an issue then that translates to every rifle has that issue?
I have a BCL102 in ODG from the first wave and have experienced no issues (and I don't want to hear that I must be one of the lucky ones).
The accuracy of the rifle averages 1 MOA, depending on the ammunition used. You could spend thousands trying to get 1/2 MOA or less, but it will never happen consistently as there is just too much mass moving with every shot.
I have a stock Ruger American 308 I use for hunting that's shoots < 1/2 MOA consistently, and it only cost me CND$379.
If you are looking for a tack driver, you are looking at the wrong type of rifle.
If you are looking for a large frame AR that doesn't cost > CND$2000, accurate enough for hunting and shooting steel then this rifle fits the bill.
As a matter of fact I am on the 3rd preorder for a FDE model.
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Do you have any other black rifles to compare how ####ty and low quality everything on the BCL is?
Pretty sure THAT is why people gripe.
 
From what I can tell the Famae 542/540 or whatever is really the only other NR 308 in the same price range and I havent heard to many people raving about its accuracy or build quality. If you started with a stripped upper/lower for $800 im not even sure you could build a complete rifle with mag and case for $1750 even using the lowest end components. (buying used parts doesn't count)
 
The only 'issue' i have with the rifle is the quality of the finish for *some* pieces, but again, first world problem.

Cosmetic issues will always persist, and we *are* allowed to voice our opinions on these, as there is not right or wrong answer. (i mean, that muzzle device?? wtf's going on with that?)


At 800-900$ for a NR receiver set, my complaints would have been zero for quality, but I'd still would have cosmetic gripes. I would have GLADLY 'given' Ryan/SFRC/BCL 2 x 800$ for two receiver sets rather than 1750$ for a complete rifle.

When my rifle is 'done' (if that's ever a thing), I will be pretty pleased with it... And will probably never count the dollar amount since I'll very likely keep it until I'm dead, or otherwise unable to keep firearms in Canada.

It's a very good looking rifle IMO, and non restricted! :)

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