reciever storage

[infideleggwelder]

Been looking at getting into this AR15 fad for a while...lol
looking at a stripped lower to start with, but I have never owned a restricted before. yes, I have my RPal. what are the storage regs for the lower while I am building it? and for that matter, after it is built? can I toss it in with the lee enfields and shotguns in the old gunsafe?

 

[mmattockx]

Since the receiver is the gun (even when stripped and nothing more than a fancy shaped lump of aluminum), it needs to be stored as if it were a restricted firearm. Yes, keeping it locked in a safe is fine. Not a cabinet or a tin box, but an actual gun safe.


Mark

 

[enefgee]

Not a cabinet or a tin box, but an actual gun safe.


Mark

As defined by who. Exactly? Any legal reference to what precisely defines the word "safe" would be greatly appreciated, as well as any legal reference to what constitutes a "cabinet". You don't even have to confine yourself to the Firearms Act - any CCC ref will do.

 

[Phat Eagle]

I have a cable lock through mine and in the locker... Goofy, but so are our laws.

 

[tiriaq]

Render it inoperable with a locking device, and lock it in a box, locker, whatever.
If it is in a safe, it doesn't need the locking device.
The discussion about what constitutes a safe is as popular and durable a discussion here as bear defence.

 

[mmattockx]

As defined by who. Exactly? Any legal reference to what precisely defines the word "safe" would be greatly appreciated, as well as any legal reference to what constitutes a "cabinet". You don't even have to confine yourself to the Firearms Act - any CCC ref will do.

This is an old discussion that has been rehashed regularly. If it is called a 'gun safe' then it is for storing guns. There is no standard anywhere in our laws or regulations that defines what a 'gun safe' is.


Mark

 

[FirearmsEnthusiast]

There was a great sticky on this a while back "Gun storage for dummies". In a nutshell, a "safe" has to be lockable and made of metal. There is some case law around this as well - an interesting read:

h ttp://firearmslaw.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Barnes-Reasons-for-Judgement.pdf

 

[hbean]

Safe or locking cabinet designed specific to store firearms.

 

[infideleggwelder]

think my answer lies in these answers. i`ve just never owned a restricted before. locked transportation case as well right?

 

[mmattockx]

think my answer lies in these answers. i`ve just never owned a restricted before. locked transportation case as well right?

Yep. The gun (receiver in this case) needs to be locked somehow with a cable lock or trigger lock and then transported in an opaque, locked case. Yes, our laws and regulations are insane and retarded beyond imagination.


Mark

 

[cr5]

Safe or locking cabinet designed specific to store firearms.

Don't think it has to be designed for firearms. As long as you have to break into it I think it's good to go (no glass doors if I remember correctly).
As I understood a locked closet is good enough as long as the restricted firearm is also locked. You can also just put a lock through it and leave it in a locked plastic box that you would use to transport it to the range.
No need to make things complicated with expensive safes and locking devices.

It's one of the reasons I've never understood the guys that build a special room for their rifles and reinforce the walls with rebar, wire, brick, twine. A thief will get in no matter what you build (just ruin more of your house the harder you make it) and you have insurance so the thousands spent on a gun room could buy a guy a couple rifles and a bunch of ammo.
I just use the cheap metal Stack-on safes or a locked closet. I won't even buy a "real" safe. A buddy at work just lost his house to a fire and he had one of the Costco gun safes that is fire rated and there was nothing left of it or the guns other than a pile of goo on the floor where it was. According to him the only thing left remotely identifiable was his deep freezer.

 

[mmattockx]

It's one of the reasons I've never understood the guys that build a special room for their rifles and reinforce the walls with rebar, wire, brick, twine. A thief will get in no matter what you build (just ruin more of your house the harder you make it) and you have insurance so the thousands spent on a gun room could buy a guy a couple rifles and a bunch of ammo.

This is true, but trigger locking every restricted is a PITA and expensive when you own 50+ restricteds. I used to shoot with one guy who owns over 100 handguns plus god knows how many AR's. For him a gun room is the cheaper, simpler alternative. I am nowhere in his league and I still own far more restricteds than trigger locks, which I suspect is very common on this forum. I use Costco safes for the restricteds and a large home built cabinet for the non-restricteds. Also realize that many (most?) of the guys that build a gun room make it a man cave with far more amenities and guy stuff than a simple storage room. They aren't looking for the cheapest option, they are making a place to spend time in and enjoy their guns with their buddies.


Mark