Indigenous sale of moose meat a murky territory, regardless of courtroom ruling

On the west coast the fn even go so far as to advertise on kijiji selling gillnet caught salmon. Wonder why the stocks are low? If they include moose too, the moose population is doomed. Chinese food joints will be all over this one. Cowichan bay it was Elk being sold and the buyer picked it up, right at the butcher shop.
 
Scotty454 said:
I'm pretty sure the customs they claim to be trying to preserve didn't come from a time that included pillaging the land and selling their spoils to the Europeans.
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Ever read about the North American fur trade in history classes?


Magellann said:
^^^I agree, I'd have no problem with a bow or a spear.
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How about traditional snares that operate 24-7 ?
 
BigUglyMan said:
I wonder how much a person makes selling moose meat?
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In Quesnel in the 1970's during the winter you could order a whole moose in the parking lot of the Cariboo Hotel. The asking price was $100.00 delivered.

In the summer "Fraser River Turkeys" could be purchased for $5.00 each. These were usually sold live as they would be swimming in a kids swimming pool in the back of a pickup truck.

Note that that the entrepreneurs covered the full racial spectrum present in that area.
 
'Boo said:
In Quesnel in the 1970's during the winter you could order a whole moose in the parking lot of the Cariboo Hotel. The asking price was $100.00 delivered.
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When you say a "whole moose", do you mean butchered? And what weight of meat for $100?

R. v. Marshall

The accused, a Mi’kmaq Indian, was charged with three offences set out in the federal fishery regulations: the selling of eels without a licence, fishing without a licence and fishing during the close season with illegal nets. He admitted that he had caught and sold 463 pounds of eels without a licence and with a prohibited net within close times. The only issue at trial was whether he possessed a treaty right to catch and sell fish under the treaties of 1760-61 that exempted him from compliance with the regulations.

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The promise of access to “necessaries” through trade in wildlife was the key point, and where a right has been granted, there must be more than a mere disappearance of the mechanism created to facilitate the exercise of the right to warrant the conclusion that the right itself is spent or extinguished.

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The accused’s treaty rights are limited to securing “necessaries” (which should be construed in the modern context as equivalent to a moderate livelihood), and do not extend to the open-ended accumulation of wealth. Thus construed, however, they are treaty rights within the meaning of s. 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 . The surviving substance of the treaty is not the literal promise of a truckhouse, but a treaty right to continue to obtain necessaries through hunting and fishing by trading the products of those traditional activities subject to restrictions that can be justified under the Badger test. What is contemplated is not a right to trade generally for economic gain, but rather a right to trade for necessaries. The treaty right is a regulated right and can be contained by regulation within its proper limits. Catch limits that could reasonably be expected to produce a moderate livelihood for individual Mi’kmaq families at present-day standards can be established by regulation and enforced without violating the treaty right. Such regulations would accommodate the treaty right and would not constitute an infringement that would have to be justified under the Badger standard.

The accused caught and sold the eels to support himself and his wife. His treaty right to fish and trade for sustenance was exercisable only at the absolute discretion of the Minister. Accordingly, the close season and the imposition of a discretionary licencing system would, if enforced, interfere with the accused’s treaty right to fish for trading purposes, and the ban on sales would, if enforced, infringe his right to trade for sustenance. In the absence of any justification of the regulatory prohibitions, the accused is entitled to an acquittal.
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Thomas D'Arcy McGee said:
When you say a "whole moose", do you mean butchered? And what weight of meat for $100?
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Butchered? Don't make me laugh.

That was for a whole moose complete with lips, legs, and arseholes. The poachers would head out on a logging road to one of the many wintering areas. They would shoot a moose and skid it into the pickup with a winch and usually be back in town within a couple of hours. A whole moose would run between 500 and 800 pounds.
 
Here in the NWT the aboriginals sell game openly. It’s one of the reasons you never see game along the highways here. That and the belief that if you see two moose you shoot them both. If you see six you shoot all six. Then repeat. And repeat... they also shoot them on, from, and across the highway. All seasons,all year,all the time.
Seriously, if the south knew what went on up here you’d barf. Oh yeah, when there is no moose or caribou left they blame it on whitey. Welcome to my world. It’s why, even though I’m from here (I’m considered indigenous non aboriginal which is government lingo for just another effing white guy) I hunt in Alberta.
 
Was stopped near Edson one morning while hunting moose, by a native ina pick up. Wanted to know if I had seen much. It was only less than an hour after legal light. He had 7 head of game in the box, all with glossed over eyes. How the hell is that subsistence hunting? Enough already !! Shooting elk in the spring for dog food is also not subsistence hunting. IF they Need the meat to live then issue them a free tag not unlimited carnage.
 
a j cave said:
Was stopped near Edson one morning while hunting moose, by a native ina pick up. Wanted to know if I had seen much. It was only less than an hour after legal light. He had 7 head of game in the box, all with glossed over eyes. How the hell is that subsistence hunting? Enough already !! Shooting elk in the spring for dog food is also not subsistence hunting. IF they Need the meat to live then issue them a free tag not unlimited carnage.
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That blows....
 
a j cave said:
Was stopped near Edson one morning while hunting moose, by a native ina pick up. Wanted to know if I had seen much. It was only less than an hour after legal light. He had 7 head of game in the box, all with glossed over eyes. How the hell is that subsistence hunting? Enough already !! Shooting elk in the spring for dog food is also not subsistence hunting. IF they Need the meat to live then issue them a free tag not unlimited carnage.
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If you were to ask him why he would say it was for elders or the community. Funny thing is that he won’t get a job to help the elders financially or go cut firewood for them. Those are the “rights “ that don’t seem to get exercised quite as much...
 
sahara said:
Here in the NWT the aboriginals sell game openly. It’s one of the reasons you never see game along the highways here. That and the belief that if you see two moose you shoot them both. If you see six you shoot all six. Then repeat. And repeat... they also shoot them on, from, and across the highway. All seasons,all year,all the time.
Seriously, if the south knew what went on up here you’d barf. Oh yeah, when there is no moose or caribou left they blame it on whitey. Welcome to my world. It’s why, even though I’m from here (I’m considered indigenous non aboriginal which is government lingo for just another effing white guy) I hunt in Alberta.
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Man where is the Wildlife organizations when you need them..
 
Once it becomes legal to sell wild game meat, the trophies will be next, and the game populations will be wiped out in short order. The only game animals that will survive will be the ones on private land where the access is tightly controlled.
 
They should incorporate this like they do the hookers.
It's legal to hook, but not buy.
One could only wish.

Soooooo then, when the kritters that Mah Terre become depleted, will that allow them
to go harass the farmers inventory?
 
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