Indigenous sale of moose meat a murky territory, regardless of courtroom ruling

Doogs said:
It's the same with fish, with predictable results. Look at what's happened to lake nippissing. The walleye fishery is on the verge of collapse. The COs in North Bay are apparently quite frustrated and demoralized because of the rampant commercial gill netting by certain members of the community. Temagami is headed down the same path. I visited bear island not too long ago and was offered several lake trout (for a price) that would not fit my large chest freezer because they were too long. The guy seemed offended that I declined.
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The same happened in Bay of Quinte years ago. It was once a world class fishery, but within a few years it was almost wiped out. Fortunately I heard its made a comeback.
 
Scotty454 said:
While I may not necessarily agree with their 'right' to hunt without following the same rules as the rest of us, if it's that important to them to be able to maintain their tribal heritage and customs, fine. Whatever.

But if they're profiting by selling meat gained by exploiting that privilege, not fine. I'm pretty sure the customs they claim to be trying to preserve didn't come from a time that included pillaging the land and selling their spoils to the Europeans.
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That is one thing the native bands always uphold is the connection with the land ..
 
silverfoxdj said:
Man where is the Wildlife organizations when you need them..
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But here's the root of ALL of the NWT's problems: we have a LOT of land, more then any other province in Canada. Yet our entire population id less then 60,000. That's less then a small city in any other province. So everybody here knows everybody. It can go back generations. Couple that with the fact that affirmative action hiring is VIGOROUSLY enforced here. So that virtually ALL wildlife enforcement personnel are aboriginal. The person shooting across the highway at the moose in April is their cousin, brother, nephew, uncle, or any combination of those. It kind of makes Christmas dinner a little uncomfortable if you had to charge your brother with shooting the Caribou that granny is eating now.
 
While strongly disagree with sustenance hunting including the right to sell meat or fish,these guys would make a lot more money and provide jobs for their people by offering package hunts than selling meat out of the back of a truck..Some bands have done this and offer package hunts on their reserves.But when one FN guy whose reserve held a large elk population was asked why they didn't offer elk hunts he said nobody could agree on it so nothing happened.Too bad, because there is a definite economic opportunity there
 
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sahara said:
But here's the root of ALL of the NWT's problems: we have a LOT of land, more then any other province in Canada. Yet our entire population id less then 60,000. That's less then a small city in any other province. So everybody here knows everybody. It can go back generations. Couple that with the fact that affirmative action hiring is VIGOROUSLY enforced here. So that virtually ALL wildlife enforcement personnel are aboriginal. The person shooting across the highway at the moose in April is their cousin, brother, nephew, uncle, or any combination of those. It kind of makes Christmas dinner a little uncomfortable if you had to charge your brother with shooting the Caribou that granny is eating now.
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That's well explained ..and not even funny
 
sahara said:
But here's the root of ALL of the NWT's problems: we have a LOT of land, more then any other province in Canada. Yet our entire population id less then 60,000. That's less then a small city in any other province. So everybody here knows everybody. It can go back generations. Couple that with the fact that affirmative action hiring is VIGOROUSLY enforced here. So that virtually ALL wildlife enforcement personnel are aboriginal. The person shooting across the highway at the moose in April is their cousin, brother, nephew, uncle, or any combination of those. It kind of makes Christmas dinner a little uncomfortable if you had to charge your brother with shooting the Caribou that granny is eating now.
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But if you're a non-aboriginal that appears to be hunting, you'll be stopped and checked 8 times in the same day. Most of the new Wildlife Act only applies to the non-treaty folks, ...........the white 5% that "need" to be charged for decimating all the game!!
 
'Boo said:
Butchered? Don't make me laugh.

That was for a whole moose complete with lips, legs, and arseholes. The poachers would head out on a logging road to one of the many wintering areas. They would shoot a moose and skid it into the pickup with a winch and usually be back in town within a couple of hours. A whole moose would run between 500 and 800 pounds.
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Bernie from Barlow made good $$$ back in the day.
 
I have conservation concerns but not moral ones. One can sell heads and hides and there is a fishing industry, why not game meat? The local trading post has records of meat and fish being exchanged in the 1850's for "powder, lead, salt and soap". And pemmican was a major article of trade back in the day. So were Grizzly pelts for that matter, a Grizzly being the same value as 4 Marten or 40 Muskrats.

People don't bat an eye that Highliner and Galen Weston sell wild caught fish processed in China to increase profits but I can't buy a salmon or a moose steak from someone local. This is somehow immoral. And if it isn't imoral why is it illegal?

The gov't gets in people's way far too much, whether it's farm gate sales or distilling your own brandy or yes, selling a surplus of game meat.
 
The meat and fish that was sold and traded in the "good ol' days" was not caught with the white mans, nylon gill net or shot with the white mans 300 winmag, or chased down the river in the white man's aluminum boat with a 60 horse Johnson on the back.Not to mention that there were only 50,000 people in the country compared to more than 30,000,000 now....? Give me and the poor wild life a BREAK!!!
 
MiG25 said:
I have conservation concerns but not moral ones. One can sell heads and hides and there is a fishing industry, why not game meat? The local trading post has records of meat and fish being exchanged in the 1850's for "powder, lead, salt and soap". And pemmican was a major article of trade back in the day. So were Grizzly pelts for that matter, a Grizzly being the same value as 4 Marten or 40 Muskrats.

People don't bat an eye that Highliner and Galen Weston sell wild caught fish processed in China to increase profits but I can't buy a salmon or a moose steak from someone local. This is somehow immoral. And if it isn't imoral why is it illegal?

The gov't gets in people's way far too much, whether it's farm gate sales or distilling your own brandy or yes, selling a surplus of game meat.
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How's the wild salmon fishery doing these days? How about cod? Herring? Tuna? I can go on.
Ask yourself how long a legal, unregulated harvest on wild game would be sustainable. It would take less time to decimate these populations than fish.
 
Face it, the only value of a large portion of this country is the animals on it. The gov't has a fiduciary duty to the taxpayer to enable the maximum sustainable economic return on it. One can sell bear hides but not bear meat, where is the sense in that?

Why can Sobeys sell wild caught fish but individuals can't? If I can lawfully shoot an Elk why can't I sell the meat? After all, I can bring it home and then send it straight to the dump if I want.
 
MiG25 said:
Face it, the only value of a large portion of this country is the animals on it. The gov't has a fiduciary duty to the taxpayer to enable the maximum sustainable economic return on it. One can sell bear hides but not bear meat, where is the sense in that?

Why can Sobeys sell wild caught fish but individuals can't? If I can lawfully shoot an Elk why can't I sell the meat? After all, I can bring it home and then send it straight to the dump if I want.
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no you can't, that would be chargeable.
 
woodchopper said:
no you can't, that would be chargeable.
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Charged with what? The law says I have to take it to my normal dwelling place, I can put it on the curb on trash Tuesday if I want. Or feed it to the coyotes. Or compost it. I eat it but I don't have to.
 
MiG25 said:
Charged with what? The law says I have to take it to my normal dwelling place, I can put it on the curb on trash Tuesday if I want. Or feed it to the coyotes. Or compost it. I eat it but I don't have to.
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This is from the MB Wildlife Act. I'd think BC is similar.

#Subject to subsection#(3), no person who kills or injures a game bird, a small game animal or a big game animal, or is in possession of a game bird, a small game animal or a big game animal that has been killed or injured, shall abandon, waste or spoil, or allow to be abandoned, wasted or spoiled, any edible portion thereof.

So yeah, throwing it on the dump is illegal.
 
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