New to Reloading - 12g Shells

Here's a link to load data for Challenger/Cheddite hulls.

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Be aware you will run into 2 issues with them, to 7/8oz you need a proprietary wad as they have more internal volume than a Federal Gold Medal/Grand plastic hull, and 2 a Lee Load AllII almost always buckled the brass on the final crimp stage. You can get an almost decent crimp with them on a MEC 600. PM me if you need hulls, I throw out bags of Remington Gun Clubs each month at the club.
 
No, I haven't, and I'm willing to bet the vast majority of shotshell reloaders also have not. Also the OP's question is addressing lead target loads, nothing that would involve the eccentricities you list.

All the published advice says to pick a line from the book and follow it with no substituions, and I don't find many people claiming they do otherwise. I stand by my assessment that somebody looking to make 12ga 7/8oz light target loads is going to pull the handle a thousand times for every minor bit of decision making they get to make.

You have my sincere apology. After reading where this went you are right it seems today with some as long as it is a hull, some kind of machine and some form of powder that will go boom and most important cheap all is good even after asking up front. Not what I am familiar with for sure for any type of reloading including shotgun. I research a new load to death before I spend a cent on a component not buy stuff and then see if I can find a recipe for it
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Well I must thank everyone here for their speedy replies! I was in Moncton today at Cabela's and against the advice of many I purchased that Lee loader!

Now that you are dashing ahead regardless I have two further bits of advice:

Get the Lyman Shotshell Reloading Handbook, currently in the 5th Edition. No other resource I have seen is as good, and nothing you find online will hold a candle to it.

Your Challenger hulls might be a reasonable introduction to the craft, but they won't last long, so you need to be on the lookout for a steady source of hulls. It is a pain to work with more than one type, so you want a source that provides consistent access to your hull of choice. You will find lots of remarks to the effect that Winchester AA hulls are considered the best, but this is old information. Winchester ceased production of the one piece AA hull in 2000 or 2001, and those made since then are considered second rate by most. Many folks consider the Remington STS / Gun Club hull to be the best of the current crop, and that's what I use for the limited shotshell loading I do these days. Maritime Storm's offer sounds to me like an excellent opportunity for you.
 
First of all, the recommendation to buy at least one manual is an excellent bit of advice. The Lyman 5th Edition manual is quite good.

In the Halifax area, I buy some of my components from Brian, but I get most through our gun club's bulk order, usually placed once a year. If you load enough, the savings on components pays for part of your club membership.
If you buy ammo from the Gun Dealer, you can get 1 oz Challenger for $64.99 per flat, provided driving to New Brunswick is acceptable. He doesn't stock their 7/8 oz load that I'm aware of. Very little savings in reloading when you can buy factory ammo for $65 per case plus taxes.
A single stage press works fine for loading in small volumes, any more than 75-100 rds a week and I'd suggest you look at getting a progressive. You'll see what I mean.
The Lee works all right, I use one for my 20 ga loads. I'm the second owner, maybe third?, of my MEC 600 Jr., I've loaded well over 10k rounds with no problems yet.
I'd suggest you deprime and resize hulls in a separate step, then reload at a later time. This will give you more consistent powder drops, at least in my experience.
With the Lee, each time I drop shot, I tap the powder hopper lightly with my knuckle to settle the new powder charge in the bushing for the next shell. You'll want to remove the charge bar after each loading session and clean it, some powders will attack the plastic. Static can be a problem with the Lee also, wiping a dryer sheet around the inside of the empty powder hopper in low humidity weather helps a bit.

Hopefully you have a reloading scale? If not, then you definitely need one. Powder density varies from lot to lot. Reloading anything without a reliable scale is dangerous IMO.
I weigh 10 consecutive drops and average the results. Those 10 drops are done during a complete loading cycle, complete with primer seating, crimping, etc. Every bit of vibration affects the way powder and shot is metered.

Primers can make a significant difference in your loads. If a published recipe calls for primer "x", substitute primer "y" at your own risk. I'd suggest calling the powder manufacturer directly if you want to substitute primers. They've always been willing to answer my questions, very helpful.
As always, any information (like this thread) that you find on the internet is someone's opinion. Some may be valid, some can be right out to lunch. My disclaimer is, this is what works for me, your results may differ.
 
Since the Challenger hulls are considered low quality and from the recipes I've seen from Hogodon require a special wad I'll likely drop that idea and go for something like a Gun Club hull. I'll pick up the manual and have a look for some recipes using those, I have a few on hand and I'll be able to make some different loads and check the pattern and felt recoil on each before I commit to loading large numbers of shells.

Interestingly the instructions provided with the loader indicate that weighing the charges dispensed by the loader is not required, I do feel however that it would be much safer to do so and a scale will be useful for any further reloading I would like to undertake in the future - on the list to purchase for sure. With my trap gun at Browning being rebuilt I'm not in any big hurry to be producing shells so I'll be taking it slow anyway, hopefully settling on a recipe by spring.
 
Remington hulls are quite roomy in comparison to an HS AA (new style) hull. I use Claybusters' 3/4 oz wad (hot pink Winchester clone) to load 7/8 oz of shot over 700X in a Remington hull.

One gentleman I know had problems using the pink wad with his Lee, they stuck in the ram tube.

Like Federal target hulls, I've been told the Challenger target hulls are straight walled, unlike Winchester AA and Remington target shells which are tapered. You need different wads to load Federal or Challenger vs. Winchester or Remington.
 
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