Caesar Guerini
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Be careful, I heard from a good source that some of their model are made in Turkey
My criticism: when you pay a high price, it is always nice to know exactly where your gun has been made. Don't make people believe you buy italian made stuff, when it is a actually been made elsewhere. Go with beretta silver pidgeon. No doubt about them. I have a nice S687 SPIII. Very nice shotgun.
My criticism: when you pay a high price, it is always nice to know exactly where your gun has been made. Don't make people believe you buy italian made stuff, when it is a actually been made elsewhere. Go with beretta silver pidgeon. No doubt about them. I have a nice S687 SPIII. Very nice shotgun.
IntelGDR691 said:Be careful, I heard from a good source that some of their model are made in Turkey
My criticism: when you pay a high price, it is always nice to know exactly where your gun has been made. Don't make people believe you buy italian made stuff, when it is a actually been made elsewhere. Go with beretta silver pidgeon. No doubt about them. I have a nice S687 SPIII. Very nice shotgun.
Can you back this up? To me, the Caesar Guerinis look a LOT nicer than the Berettas for the same money.
beretta boy
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The various O/U's I have looked at are all made in Italy, (Brescia .. same area as Beretta ) says so on the barrel, and the barrel underlug is stamped with the Italian Proof House year code.
If your "source" was talking about their over/unders then your source doesn't have the faintest clue what he is talking about.IntelGDR691 said:Be careful, I heard from a good source that some of their model are made in Turkey
My criticism: when you pay a high price, it is always nice to know exactly where your gun has been made. Don't make people believe you buy italian made stuff, when it is a actually been made elsewhere. Go with beretta silver pidgeon. No doubt about them. I have a nice S687 SPIII. Very nice shotgun.
Do any of you guys have experience with shooting Guerini's a couple of hundred rounds a day? I have heard they have very little felt recoil, but I would like to hear some feedback from actual shooters. The model I am interested in the summit sporting, probably with 32'' barrel. I also understand that the new models will be backbored with a new line of chokes.(.735 instead of .725 ) Anyone know for sure? Thanks.
beretta boy
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A buddy has put several hundred rounds through a 34" Summit with no problems whatsoever. Pretty gun, nice wood, case colours & nicely finished.
Balances and swings a lot better than one would think for such long tubes ..but in reality, only about 3/4" longer than a 30" Beretta 391 !
I wouldn't hesitate for a dedicated Sporting / 5-Stand gun ... but it's a tad long for Grouse hunting ! My overall impression is that they are good guns with a lot of desireable features for the money.
Balances and swings a lot better than one would think for such long tubes ..but in reality, only about 3/4" longer than a 30" Beretta 391 !
I wouldn't hesitate for a dedicated Sporting / 5-Stand gun ... but it's a tad long for Grouse hunting ! My overall impression is that they are good guns with a lot of desireable features for the money.
Ahsan Ahmed
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IntelGDR691 said:Be careful, I heard from a good source that some of their model are made in Turkey
My criticism: when you pay a high price, it is always nice to know exactly where your gun has been made. Don't make people believe you buy italian made stuff, when it is a actually been made elsewhere. Go with beretta silver pidgeon. No doubt about them. I have a nice S687 SPIII. Very nice shotgun.
If memory serves, the Kimber Valier sidelocks are also made in Turkey and I would buy one without any hesitation
My point is just because some products are made elsewhere doesn't have to make it junk!
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First, I said some of them. My source is Alain Combes, one of the very few gunsmith that can have this title. He is a graduate of the Liege gunsmithing school (Belgium). He is not any ''John Doe'' who did learn firemarms repair in his basement. Not a lot of guys in Canada have this kind of studies.
As for comparing Japan with Turkey, yeah right....So you tell me about Turkey in 20 years, maybe....it will be like Japan was 20 years ago. My service weapon is made in Germany. Ask me if I would bet my life on a «made in Turkey» service pistol....
As for the Kimber Valier, If somebody would pay that price for a sidelock made in Turkey, I think IMHO, it would be better served by having a nice SIACE built (custom made obviously and handgraved) in Italy. I think they must be good, Dakota chose them for building their SXS Superlight. I've fired and handled a SIACE, and believe me, nothing made in Turkey can even come close to this gun. And oh, It is between 4000 and 7000 $ (can). HANDMADE Probably much cheaper than a Valier. BTW he has a SIACE for sale (slightly used).
For the Guerini, i said that some of their model might be done in Turkey. Even if the gun is just finished in Italy, they can put on it «Made in Italy». If any of you gents don't believe me, well just pick up the phone a give Mr Combes a call. He is the only true certified specialist of classic gun in Qc, maybe one of the best in Canada. armurier-quebec.com
Have a good day gentlemen
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beretta boy
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Well... come to think of it the wood may be "Turkish"
First, I said some of them. My source is Alain Combes, one of the very few gunsmith that can have this title. He is a graduate of the Liege gunsmithing school (Belgium). He is not any ''John Doe'' who did learn firemarms repair in his basement. Not a lot of guys in Canada have this kind of studies.
As for comparing Japan with Turkey, yeah right....So you tell me about Turkey in 20 years, maybe....it will be like Japan was 20 years ago. My service weapon is made in Germany. Ask me if I would bet my life on a «made in Turkey» service pistol....
As for the Kimber Valier, If somebody would pay that price for a sidelock made in Turkey, I think IMHO, it would be better served by having a nice SIACE built (custom made obviously and handgraved) in Italy. I think they must be good, Dakota chose them for building their SXS Superlight. I've fired and handled a SIACE, and believe me, nothing made in Turkey can even come close to this gun. And oh, It is between 4000 and 7000 $ (can). HANDMADE Probably much cheaper than a Valier. BTW he has a SIACE for sale (slightly used).
For the Guerini, i said that some of their model might be done in Turkey. Even if the gun is just finished in Italy, they can put on it «Made in Italy». If any of you gents don't believe me, well just pick up the phone a give Mr Combes a call. He is the only true certified specialist of classic gun in Qc, maybe one of the best in Canada. armurier-quebec.com
Have a good day gentlemen
I think at one time CG had a relationship with Fabarm. I think Fabarm made the barrels for CG. Not sure if they still do. Fabarm is an Italian Company.
I do,
I purchased a LH Summit LTD Sporting w/32" bbls thru Epps in Nov 07.
I have shot approx 6500 rounds through it to date, shooting skeet, 5 stand, sporting clays, trap and international trap. I have shot up to 400 rounds in a day in tournament with it and for me the recoil using 1 1/8 1200 fps rounds has been of no discomfort. That being said, fit can make a complete difference in felt recoil in each person. I could not do that volume of shooting with my Superposed without a sore shoulder.
My Summit has the .735 bores w/ Maxis Choke tubes, I beleive the bore dia change was in the 07 model year as well as a reshaping of the stocks.
The gun has been absolutely trouble free, I love the balance and swing dynamics with the 32" bbls, it shoots where I look, looks great with very nice wood and nowhere will you find any documentation to infer it was not fully manufactured in Italy.
I think you will find as I did in researching as much as possible on other shotgun sites before buying one that the vast majority consider them to be a quality shotgun in at least comparable to similar offerings from Browning or Beretta.
I tested both a Browning 525 and Beretta Gold E w/ 32' bbls for a flat each and decided while each was very nice and could not find fault with either in manufacture, I found both to be too nose heavy w/ 32' bbls. The Summit was the best fit and feel for me and I have no regrets.
One man's opinion....
Tim.
Yikes,
After all that typing above, I notice this is a very old thread reserrected and probably moot for the originator. Wonder what he ended up doing ?
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I have a summit Sporting LTD with 34" barrels.
With my lousy shoulder I was able to fire some heavy steel loads with it, but it has a recoil reducer in it.
The gun is very nice, points well, and recoils little.
It is a fine gun that Ii would recomend to anyone.
Bt is proofed at Cordone, as are all Italian shotguns.
Guerinni built barrels for Fabarm IIRC, not the other way round.
B. Rizzini also has a relationship with them, my Verex will interchange the butt stock with it.
The also build OEM barrels for several other manufacturers...
Cat
I really don't care what his self proclaimed credentials are if he makes a statement about a certain product he should have the facts at hand . As for Caesars I have a Summet LTD LH Sporting I have put about 5000 round through it and it has worked flawlessly I also have a Woodlander 12ga & a 20ga field guns which have given me no problems . As for other makes I have owned and shot MX8's the most overrated gun in the world shoot nice but lots of issues I have all so owned different model berretta's good guns over all but I like the way the Caesar handles . As far a the jap guns go or any other off shore guns most are good $ value but u will never see anyone shooting them at the Olympic's or the worlds or any other upper level of shooting sports .
