WK180 x39......Go vote for AK mags Red Riflemen !

It's easier to make a magwell adapter for a rifle that take AK mags to take AR mags than vice versa. Just sayin'. I'd prefer AK mag lower and an adapter for AR mags.
 
For the win :p
I have one in the collection but I've never used it
7.62x39 STANAG pattern
I think Wolverine carries them
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fluidmax said:
Looks like this thread back fired...I didnt even know the vote existed and from what I can see lots people are voting against OP.
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Nah, didn't backfire. The vote ratio has remained surprisingly consistant since it started. Mr. Wolverine will make the ultimate decision based on his longterm plans.
 
drifter dave said:
On an existing FRT, which is a 180B that takes Stanag mags.
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there is NO requirement in Canada law for there to be an FRT in order to make/sell firearms in Canada. FRT is an OPINION of the RCMP. the RCMP do not make the laws they just uphold them, the only time their opinion is needed is when there is a court matter. if the rifle meets the definaition under Canadian law as non restricted, then it is.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
there is NO requirement in Canada law for there to be an FRT in order to make/sell firearms in Canada. FRT is an OPINION of the RCMP. the RCMP do not make the laws they just uphold them, the only time their opinion is needed is when there is a court matter. if the rifle meets the definaition under Canadian law as non restricted, then it is.
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Tell that to all the RPD owners who are still waiting lol.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
there is NO requirement in Canada law for there to be an FRT in order to make/sell firearms in Canada. FRT is an OPINION of the RCMP. the RCMP do not make the laws they just uphold them, the only time their opinion is needed is when there is a court matter. if the rifle meets the definaition under Canadian law as non restricted, then it is.
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Does that mean that an AR with a 20 inch barrel is non restricted?
I think your statement may be logical and make sense but I really don't think you want to be the one pushing the boundaries and going to court to prove your theory. They will bury you with our tax dollars funding their lawyers.
There has been a lot of talk lately about rifles not needing an FRT but I think that since the same people making up these stupid "laws" are the same people who are enforcing them we're going to be on the losing end of any fight that goes to court. Keep in mind that most judges are older and most likely have a lieberal mindset and will be siding with the RCMP in most situations. You would need a heck of a lot of money and time at your disposal for you to have a chance at winning.
 
If you manufacture AR15 with 20" barrel then you manufacture restricted firearm as it's still AR15, restricted by name, and it has to be registered. If you make a pistol with short barrel you create prohibited firearm. Simple as that. CBSA uses FRT as they are not firearms experts, that's why we need to have FRT record for anything crossing the border, but that record is not required for manufacturing and sale within Canada. Of course there's a risk RCMP will lately classify your perfectly designed NR rifle as restricted or prohib just by the look (not the first time for them).
 
cr5 said:
Does that mean that an AR with a 20 inch barrel is non restricted?
I think your statement may be logical and make sense but I really don't think you want to be the one pushing the boundaries and going to court to prove your theory. They will bury you with our tax dollars funding their lawyers.
There has been a lot of talk lately about rifles not needing an FRT but I think that since the same people making up these stupid "laws" are the same people who are enforcing them we're going to be on the losing end of any fight that goes to court. Keep in mind that most judges are older and most likely have a lieberal mindset and will be siding with the RCMP in most situations. You would need a heck of a lot of money and time at your disposal for you to have a chance at winning.
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an AR is prescribed restricted in Canadian law. nothing to do with the RCMP and their FRT views.

the RPD is not made in Canada. the CBSA confer with the RCMP as to it's classification. the RCMP determined that with an unlimited budget and 6 months it was easy to convert to full auto. if they couldnt convert it, it would still be non restricted.
 
P0WERWAGON said:
an AR is prescribed restricted in Canadian law. nothing to do with the RCMP and their FRT views.

the RPD is not made in Canada. the CBSA confer with the RCMP as to it's classification. the RCMP determined that with an unlimited budget and 6 months it was easy to convert to full auto. if they couldnt convert it, it would still be non restricted.
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Just saying that your blanket statement about not needing an FRT for firearms made in Canada is not exactly true in the real world. It may be true technically or theoretically but if so then why do manufacturers like ATRS, NEA/BCL, MDI, Dlask, or Kodiak Defense bother going through the firearms lab getting an FRT? Because if they didn't they leave themselves open to prosecution and also put their customers at risk of the same.
Regardless of whether or not it is legally required, Canadian manufacturers do go through the trouble and risk of putting their new product through the lab for classification so what's the point of saying that it isn't law that they need an FRT? Either way, law or not, no manufacturer would be dumb enough to just go around them and sell their product to the Canadian public because it could very easily become the last product they produce if charged and drug through court till they are forced into bankruptcy.

And if they don't need an FRT then Canadian manufacturers could build anything they wanted as long as it meets the criteria and sell it as non restricted even if it looks like an AR. Is there a certain maximum number of parts allowed to be interchangeable? Is it just the receiver compatibility? Only way to know and be safe is to send it in for classification and to get an FRT.
 
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S1de8urnz said:
AR mags. 10 rounder mags for me please.
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This is directly from RCMP website.

Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.

Therefore, it would have to be altered to only hold 5 Rounds.
 
ChantelleR90 said:
This is directly from RCMP website.

Magazines designed or manufactured for both centrefire calibre rifles and handguns

Magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic rifle are limited to five cartridges. However, magazines designed to contain centrefire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. Magazines designed or manufactured for use in both semiautomatic rifles and semiautomatic handguns are subject to the limit of five cartridges.

Example:
Hi-Point rifle and handgun chambered for 9mm Luger caliber:

magazine capacities over five rounds are prohibited.

Therefore, it would have to be altered to only hold 5 Rounds.
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He's referring to the LAR and XCR pistol magazines which are legal 10 round pistol magazines that also work in STANAG pattern rifle magazine wells.
So far we're still allowed to use them.
 
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