Pistol advice Glock Vs Sig

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Smcx said:
The p320 is striker AND “hammer fired” lol
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Well played sir!!! ;)

Smcx said:
I’m kidding. If it’s gone through the recall process it should just be striker fired. Apparently tr design that won the army contract would fire if it was dropped or hit on the rear of the slide hard enough.
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Except none of the Canadian guns have had the recall work done to them short of perhaps some new inventory.

COREY said:
I have a 17 Gen 4 and a Sig P320; got them both used. Got the Glock first and swapped out trigger parts (disconnector a basic Zev Tech spring kit); it is fine, but not as nice as my Shadow or older S&W's. Got the 320 'cause somebody freaked out over the trigger recall, and I got a half decent deal. It came with the small frame and I find it fits my hands way better than the Glock. Maybe the guy that had it before did some work to the trigger, but it has a very minor creep and then it breaks clean (much nicer trigger IMO). The Glock would be gone now if I needed the cash, and I did not own a JR carbine.
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Stop comparing a single action to a double action pistol. Your shadow and the 320 are both SA guns, the shadow designed for competition. As far as "fit" goes, does anyone in this thread actually know what to look for with regards to "fit" or are we simply confusing "fit" with "feel"? My bet is there is simply confusion.
 
Bought both brand new, prefer P320 out of box only if I can swap a small modular grip on it which is out of stock in any color for a long long long time.
 
I own both. I actually prefer the P320 to my Glock as the trigger guard could be more undercut on the Glock. I shoot both equally accurate. Personally I quite like my P320 trigger as it has a nice clean brak and crisp reset. No slop whatsoever. As other have said try to get to the range and give both a try.
 
FoxAlpha said:
Tried the 320, absolutely terrible trigger. Being a Glock guy, I can admit the factory Glock trigger isn't the best, but a simple 20 dollar connector absolves it to my liking.

From a completely irrelevant point of view, there was just something aside from the trigger that I just didn't like about the 320. Didn't spend enough time with it to pin point it. Maybe it just felt like a cheaper gun. Maybe if I could find one for around 300-400 I'd consider it, anything more and I'd rather just buy another Glock.

As others have said, try them for yourself. That'll tell you more than any interweb forum rambling ever could.
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Now that makes me laugh. Personally I think the Glock trigger S--CKS big time. I much prefer the trigger of the Sig. I guess it all comes down to what you are used to. The endless drag on the Glock drives me crazy whereas the much cleaner break on the Sig I find pretty good. As for the fit and finish issue. Every Sig 320 I have seen has a better finish than every Glock I have seen. Lots of molding distortions in the Glocks I have seen. All a matter of perspective.
 
Kidd X said:
Stop comparing a single action to a double action pistol. Your shadow and the 320 are both SA guns, the shadow designed for competition. As far as "fit" goes, does anyone in this thread actually know what to look for with regards to "fit" or are we simply confusing "fit" with "feel"? My bet is there is simply confusion.
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You just have to be kidding or you truly have no idea what you are talking about. The Shadow and Shadow11 are both DA/SA guns. The SP-01 Tactical can come with a manual safety or as a Decocker Model. You can install a SA trigger on the 75/SP-01 Series of CZ's and there is one model that is sold with a SA gun. I believe the 320 is a SA action gun, as defined by the ATF in the US as the Striker is fully set when the gun is racked. The 320, XD Springfields and Walthers also fully set the striker which accounts to a great extent to their crisp triggers. There is no movement of the trigger to fully set the sear. The Glock and M&P both take some additional movement of the striker rearward to fully set it and are defined by the ATF as DA pistols.

You seem to have a mental block when it comes to the CZ Shadows.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Step to the next level and buy a PPQ M2 5". The gun has the best trigger of any of the polymer striker fired guns, will out shoot a Glock and is 100% reliable. Sights can be changed at home in about five minutes if you want FO or night sights, mags run about $75. which is pricey. The Gen 5 Glocks are just out and are a new pistol that looks like former Glocks but isn't. Same old uncomfortable grip, new frame, new trigger assembly, slide and barrel. The Gen 5 has been upgraded with an improved trigger group and a more robust slide. If you like Glocks the Gen 5 has a lot going for it. It just doesn't quite climb the ladder to the next level. Today there are a number of quality striker fired makes. Pays to look around.

Take Care

Bob
ps I only put 20 rds down range with a 320 and found the trigger to be quite good with a crisp break. Definitely better than any Glock I have shot stock or improved.
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I'm honestly interested in the statement " it will outshoot the Glock". I have also heard others state the PPQ is " the MOST accurate striker fired gun". In what way does it outshoot the Glock? I'm not trying to be a ####,, but last year was my first year in IDPA,,and PPQ didn't win a single event at my club and there were a few being shot?
The statement about it being " the most accurate" also makes me kind of giggle when I see people like Nuthinfancy getting better groups from an FNS9LS, I guess I'm just more of a believer in the shooter not the gun,, I honestly don't think there is a striker fired gun made that is measurably more accurate than another,,, but I'm not that experienced and could be wrong.
 
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Canuck44 said:
You just have to be kidding or you truly have no idea what you are talking about. The Shadow and Shadow11 are both DA/SA guns. The SP-01 Tactical can come with a manual safety or as a Decocker Model. You can install a SA trigger on the 75/SP-01 Series of CZ's and there is one model that is sold with a SA gun. I believe the 320 is a SA action gun, as defined by the ATF in the US as the Striker is fully set when the gun is racked. The 320, XD Springfields and Walthers also fully set the striker which accounts to a great extent to their crisp triggers. There is no movement of the trigger to fully set the sear. The Glock and M&P both take some additional movement of the striker rearward to fully set it and are defined by the ATF as DA pistols.

You seem to have a mental block when it comes to the CZ Shadows.

Take Care

Bob
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No one raves about any CZ for it's DA trigger pull. The Shadow series is not DA, it's a single action without a decocker that allows the idiot operator to manually walk the hammer down for the DA. True DA/SA guns have a decocker, SA guns have a safety. Either way, the DA in a CZ is still a$$.

edgy said:
I'm honestly interested in the statement " it will outshoot the Glock". I have also heard others state the PPQ is " the MOST accurate striker fired gun". In what way does it outshoot the Glock? I'm not trying to be a ####,, but last year was my first year in IDPA,,and PPQ didn't win a single event at my club and there were a few being shot?
The statement about it being " the most accurate" also makes me kind of giggle when I see people like Nuthinfancy getting better groups from an FNS9LS, I guess I'm just more of a believer in the shooter not the gun,, I honestly don't think there is a striker fired gun made that is measurably more accurate than another,,, but I'm not that experienced and could be wrong.
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You're absolutely correct, it's the shooter that makes the shot not the gun. Many seem to forget that a lot of the guns in questions are SERVICE PISTOLS designed for shooting people at reasonable distances. Not designed for shooting tiny tiny groups on a sterile range..
 
edgy said:
I'm honestly interested in the statement " it will outshoot the Glock". I have also heard others state the PPQ is " the MOST accurate striker fired gun". In what way does it outshoot the Glock? I'm not trying to be a ####,, but last year was my first year in IDPA,,and PPQ didn't win a single event at my club and there were a few being shot?
The statement about it being " the most accurate" also makes me kind of giggle when I see people like Nuthinfancy getting better groups from an FNS9LS, I guess I'm just more of a believer in the shooter not the gun,, I honestly don't think there is a striker fired gun made that is measurably more accurate than another,,, but I'm not that experienced and could be wrong.
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Edgy it is the archer not the arrow. The mechanical accuracy of the PPQ is well known. Add to my statement "one of the most". Don't get to excited as we all have our favourites. The FN is a quality made pistol as is the PPQ. They are a step up from the Glock and M&P in quality and fit and finish IMHO. This is not to say the Glock and M&P won't do what they are designed for. I love ay M&P Pro with the Apex competition kit. It now has a trigger very close to the PPQ stock trigger but I spent another $220+ to get there. Of the pistols that win most matches in IDPA at major events like the US Nationals the Glock 34 and M&P Pro dominate in numbers and usually are in the hands of the top shooters across all Divisions. From virtually none in 2016 the Walther and Sig 320 both rose to about 10% each of the guns there in 2017. The US Army adopted the SIG and the Walther was developing a reputation for accuracy and reliability. striker fired pistols of all makes dominate the sport like CZ and Tanfoglio dominate IPSC Production.

For most of us who are recreational shooters out for fun, buy and shoot what you like, you can't buy skill but we all seem to want to try.

Take Care

Bob
 
Kidd X said:
No one raves about any CZ for it's DA trigger pull. The Shadow series is not DA, it's a single action without a decocker that allows the idiot operator to manually walk the hammer down for the DA. True DA/SA guns have a decocker, SA guns have a safety. Either way, the DA in a CZ is still a$$.



You're absolutely correct, it's the shooter that makes the shot not the gun. Many seem to forget that a lot of the guns in questions are SERVICE PISTOLS designed for shooting people at reasonable distances. Not designed for shooting tiny tiny groups on a sterile range..
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You still have no fnnn idea what the hell you are talking about. Either do some reading or quit posting nonsense about the CZ line of pistols. The CZ Shadow and Shadow11 are both DA/SA guns and do not have a decocker, they have a manual safety. HINT: those are the two levers you see on either side of the frame. The SIG 226 is a DA/SA gun with a decocker and has no manual safety. Just to add to your confusion the Beretta 92FS has a decocker and a manual safety feature. and also is a DA/SA pistol. Beretta has made a 92 as a DAO gun and a decocker model with no manual safety as the lever automatically releases and leave the gun in a decocked DA mode. Have a great day.

Take Care

Bob
 
FoxAlpha said:
Tried the 320, absolutely terrible trigger. Being a Glock guy, I can admit the factory Glock trigger isn't the best, but a simple 20 dollar connector absolves it to my liking.

From a completely irrelevant point of view, there was just something aside from the trigger that I just didn't like about the 320. Didn't spend enough time with it to pin point it. Maybe it just felt like a cheaper gun. Maybe if I could find one for around 300-400 I'd consider it, anything more and I'd rather just buy another Glock.

As others have said, try them for yourself. That'll tell you more than any interweb forum rambling ever could.
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I can't disagree more! The trigger in the 320 is cats-ass.
I was shocked.

Where are you located?
You never know, there could be a CGN in your area who has a sig and a glock.

Cheers,
 
Shot both and worked on both. They are great guns and its really hard to pick which is better.

I do like Glock, as you have more options and the grip size can be change with out paying $70.
 
Smcx said:
I’m kidding. If it’s gone through the recall process it should just be striker fired. Apparently tr design that won the army contract would fire if it was dropped or hit on the rear of the slide hard enough.
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So will a PPQ and XD if you hit them hard enough at the right angle. FYI the US Army pistols did not suffer this issue. I have yet to have any reason to hammer my pistols with a mallet and I suspect few have. The 320 pistol is a very nice pistol. If you like it buy it. The trigger is very very good. Despite what KiddX says the gun does reset.... once after each shot. LOL

Take Care

Bob
 
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Canuck44 said:
So will a PPQ and XD if you hit them hard enough at the right angle. FYI the US Army pistols did not suffer this issue. I have yet to have any reason to hammer my pistols with a mallet and I suspect few have. The 320 pistol is a very nice pistol. If you like it buy it. The trigger is very very good. Despite what KiddX says the gun does reset.... once after each shot. LOL

Take Care

Bob
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There was a thing that came out pretty recently stating that the US Army 320's did exhibit the same issue. It just got fixed before the public heard about it.
 
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