So then I buy it, and have to spend money to replace it. Or, I can buy a Gen 5, and also get the Marksman Barrel, and the new nDLC finish as well, and i don't have to spend money to replace the finger grooves! The finish on the Gen 5's is definitely nicer.
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So then I buy it, and have to spend money to replace it. Or, I can buy a Gen 5, and also get the Marksman Barrel, and the new nDLC finish as well, and i don't have to spend money to replace the finger grooves! The finish on the Gen 5's is definitely nicer.
Ah the conspiracy theory lives on. You may be right. Personally I see it as a non issue unless of course you are in the habit of dropping your gun at a 30 degree angle or banging away on the gun with a mallet. That said there is a fix available and it is done for free. I went with the PPQ but will acquire a 320 over time for certain. With the US Army using them for the next 30 years or so the gun will have more support than Trudeaus East Indian tailor.
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If you find yourself in the group of people who simply can't shoot a Glock with finger grooves. Most people get along fine with the finger grooves and even if you couldn't you could remove them for the low, low price of free. I'm not sure why you're so sure that the finish on the Gen 5's is nicer it doesn't look substantially different in the hand. Of course marketing departments are wonderful things.
The Gen 5's I have seen have a much darker finish than the later Gen 4 "Chalkboard" finish. I am hoping the nDLC is more durable than the "Chalkboard". Nothing beats the Gen 3 and early Gen 4 "Frying Pan" finish for durability IMHO.
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Wanted both, bought the Glock.
Why limit yourself to just those?
The Walther PPQ M2 wins just about every striker-fired competition it's in due to its build quality, accuracy, comfort, and amazing trigger.
I am not saying this because I have a Walther PPQ, but that I bought a Walther PPQ because I saw it win so many comparison reviews and tests.
The Walther PPQ M2 wins just about every striker-fired competition it's in due to its build quality, accuracy, comfort, and amazing trigger.
I am not saying this because I have a Walther PPQ, but that I bought a Walther PPQ because I saw it win so many comparison reviews and tests.
I have no doubt the Walther is a fantastic pistol, but please show me some stats that support your claim that it is winning just about every competition in Striker fired guns, I have yet to see one win an event, and to be honest, I can't even find a national event it has won?? It may get fantastic reviews but I really don't see it dominating anything at the moment
Is that from your many hours of experience.
You really don't have a clue what you are talking about.
No one cares about your opinion anyway. It's all based on your total inexperience.
Spend some money and take some armourers courses and you might learn a thing or two.
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You're not too bright Bob and it appears you're in like company with others here. A DA/SA gun has a decocker. Manually lowering the hammer while fingering the trigger is both retarded and unsafe. Please list other DA/SA guns that require you to do such stupid sh*t?? A DAO is a different story as it cannot be decocked and needs neither a decocker nor a safety although some still have a safety(dumb). The 92FS does have a combination decocker/safety, not the key word, DECOCKER.
Well, to me, that's just your opinion.
Can you say with absolute certainty that you will never drop or bang your gun for the entirety of your life?? I didn't think so. Making a firearm drop safe is not rocket science although SIG seems to struggle with the concept. And yes, the US Army guns demonstrated the issue and were fixed before winning(low balling) the contract. Civilian owners got the shaft until someone spilled the facts..
Please explain where I am incorrect?? A DA/SA gun has a decocker and sometimes a safety as well, guns without a decocker are NOT DA/SA as lowering the hammer while using the trigger is as I posted above both retarded and unsafe. The Shadow is a poor design and is not a DA/SA gun. True DA/SA guns can be decocked with one hand, the Shadow cannot. I'll ask you the same thing as Bob, please list other guns that are so poorly designed?
Are you Butt hurt because I asked about this abortion of a design in the Action shooting forum and you had no answer as to why it's acceptable to thumb the hammer on the Shadow but not other true DA/SA guns?? I asked the question knowing full well the answer. Permitting the ignorant and dangerous act of thumbing the hammer on the Shadow allows the competitor the "advantage" of using a purpose built competition gun that for all intents and purposes is a SINGLE ACTION design in the STOCK SERVICE PISTOL division. CZ offers a Shadow with a decocker but I don't see the masses running out to get it.. If thumbing the hammer was acceptable then it shouldn't matter which gun you do it with. However, the rules for IPSC state that you can only do it for guns that are poorly designed and do not have a decocker.
KIDD X this is really getting embarrassing. I am not at all sure how to reply to stupid. My gut sense is, one can't. You say a Shadow is a SA gun then you speak to it's DA trigger. Weird or what! One can choose to safely drop the hammer manually, it happens thousands of times every week-end at IPSC & IDPA matches around the world. Why you think it is dangerous to do so is beyond me.
Read what Peter G said his advice is spot on. The only reason why some of us reply to your drivel is to prevent someone who is just starting out to get misinformation and look like an idiot when he defines a DA/SA gun as having to have a decocker or it is a SA gun. Makes me smile just referencing that comment.
If you want to troll, fair enough, fill your boots. Your circular arguments get tiring after a bit and your knowledge base is frankly, quite thin.
FYI Stock Service Pistol Division is an IDPA division and has nothing to do with IPSC. SSP division is not restricted to DA/SA guns. DAO and Striker fired pistols also shoot in that division. SA guns play in ESP/ CDP/ CCP and BUG. Three of those divisions also include DA/SA guns.
We don't see a lot of DA/SA hammer guns in SSP division, though more recently. Lighter, striker fired polymer guns dominate the division and have for a number of years. There are reasons why, outside of their design, but that is for another discussion on another forum. In the US most of the competitors shoot what they often carry (Marksman/Sharpshooter types). Draw your own conclusions.
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Read what Peter G said his advice is spot on. The only reason why some of us reply to your drivel is to prevent someone who is just starting out to get misinformation and look like an idiot when he defines a DA/SA gun as having to have a decocker or it is a SA gun. Makes me smile just referencing that comment.
If you want to troll, fair enough, fill your boots. Your circular arguments get tiring after a bit and your knowledge base is frankly, quite thin.
FYI Stock Service Pistol Division is an IDPA division and has nothing to do with IPSC. SSP division is not restricted to DA/SA guns. DAO and Striker fired pistols also shoot in that division. SA guns play in ESP/ CDP/ CCP and BUG. Three of those divisions also include DA/SA guns.
We don't see a lot of DA/SA hammer guns in SSP division, though more recently. Lighter, striker fired polymer guns dominate the division and have for a number of years. There are reasons why, outside of their design, but that is for another discussion on another forum. In the US most of the competitors shoot what they often carry (Marksman/Sharpshooter types). Draw your own conclusions.
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Jeez don't confuse the boy he is still struggling with his definitions. Arguing with Kidd X is like wrestling with a pig you get dirty and the pig enjoys it. He lives in his own reality so he can define guns anyway he wants. He is like a drunk walking down a narrow alley bouncing off the walls and unconcerned with his reality. If only the world saw life as he sees it. He actually believes a CZ Shadow is a SA gun that comes with a bad DA trigger. It must since he often complains about the DA trigger on the Shadow, all the while claiming it is a SA gun. You have to be quick to follow his bouncing ball.
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Dosnt the cz sp01 tactical come with a decocker?
I guess all the gun writers in the 80's and 90's as well as various manufacturers didn't know what a "True DA/SA" is as CZ75, early Beretta 92's, Taurus PT92 were all described as DA/SA. The DA/SA refers to the capability of the firearm to fire first shot DA with subsequent shots SA. Some of the pistols that could do this could ALSO be cocked and locked giving you a selective DA/SA vs. a strictly DA/SA like Beretta 92FS, and classic non SAO Sigs. Even the current CZ website describes the classic CZ 75 as DA/SA although one could choose to carry it cocked and locked.
I will concede the early methods of lowering the hammer potentially is unsafe which led to Beretta 92's changing to decocking/safety levers and some CZ clones chose to have decocking lever and were not able to be carried in condition one.
I will concede the early methods of lowering the hammer potentially is unsafe which led to Beretta 92's changing to decocking/safety levers and some CZ clones chose to have decocking lever and were not able to be carried in condition one.
And if you really want to get complicated. The Walther P99 had three trigger modes.
1. AS mode...chamber round. The striker is cocked but trigger is in forward position. There is a very light take up...half way through the trigger 'clicks into' single action trigger mode. When the P99 first came out, even the instruction manual suggested one could carry in this mode. The HK's LEM mode feels very much like this except it can't lock in single action.
2. DA mode...chamber round, press decocker...traditional DA mode. New manuals suggest this as the only safe method to carry.
3. SA Mode...this is default mode after a shot is fired. OR....from AS mode one slow presses trigger til it 'clicks' into SA mode...generally not recommended.
1. AS mode...chamber round. The striker is cocked but trigger is in forward position. There is a very light take up...half way through the trigger 'clicks into' single action trigger mode. When the P99 first came out, even the instruction manual suggested one could carry in this mode. The HK's LEM mode feels very much like this except it can't lock in single action.
2. DA mode...chamber round, press decocker...traditional DA mode. New manuals suggest this as the only safe method to carry.
3. SA Mode...this is default mode after a shot is fired. OR....from AS mode one slow presses trigger til it 'clicks' into SA mode...generally not recommended.
Yup. The SP-01 comes in a number of variances.
Gundoggy you are about to join the ranks of the unwashed along with PeterG, myself and others who just don;t live in Kidd X's reality. If he pronounces a gun is a poor design then by God walk the life of the condemned if you disagree. LOL
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