M14 restricted/prohib?

[cr5]

order in council



Doesn't matter... how would they know where are the NR firearms are?? Trust people being honest? pouhahahaa... again, they would need a positive incentive to get any meaningful results.

Incentive would be staying out of jail. If they change it to prohib where can you use it where you won't risk getting caught? If you get caught they would also confiscate all of your firearms and revoke your PAL. Is that incentive enough?

Can't wait to see the official reasons for ANY reclassification.

What reason would they need? None. The Liberal government has seemingly given them complete control of the firearms "system" and relies on them to take care of all classification and control. If they decide to change any rifle to prohib I doubt we will see any backlash.

The RCMP has already come out and said they want to ban the M305 (can't remember if they wanted to restrict or prohibit it), like they did the Swiss Arms rifles.
It was in that memo to Steven Blaney that was leaked when the Conservatives were the government.

Canada has a history of grandfathering and also confiscating, so it can go either way.

They want to ban every gun, they're just starting with the easier ones that look scary.
There will be no grandfathering of anyone and I'm good with that. I don't want to be grandfathered and then forced to either keep a rifle I'm not allowed to shoot again or try to sell it in a market where no one wants it and it's value drops to pretty much nothing.

 

[tharkhold]

Incentive would be staying out of jail. If they change it to prohib where can you use it where you won't risk getting caught? If you get caught they would also confiscate all of your firearms and revoke your PAL. Is that incentive enough?




What reason would they need? None. The Liberal government has seemingly given them complete control of the firearms "system" and relies on them to take care of all classification and control. If they decide to change any rifle to prohib I doubt we will see any backlash.

I said 'positive incentive'... jail/punitive measures are not 'positive'. If the government wants to do this in a civilized/moral/etc way, you need positive incentives if you want your 'people' to change... I'm saying this not only for firearms laws, but everything.

And of course they'll need reasons. This whole pseudo-fiasco turned media frenzy bs has a lot of people looking at what's going to happen. The more people these changes affect, the more visibility it will generate (good or bad). The more people look at the situation, the harder it is for anyone in the government to do anything behind closed curtains.

 

[cr5]

I said 'positive incentive'... jail/punitive measures are not 'positive'.

And of course they'll need reasons. This whole pseudo-fiasco turned media frenzy bs has a lot of people looking at what's going to happen. The more people these changes affect, the more visibility it will generate (good or bad). It will be harder for anyone in the government to do anything behind closed curtains.

I think you underestimate your "rights", the RCMP can change the classification with the stroke of a pen and the government isn't going to care, we are a minority of mostly white males in Canada and therefore no one gives a rats ass what we think or if we are not treated fairly. Our PM has come out and said he is a feminist and seems to be targeting all his efforts on being popular with the minorities and immigrants to try to get himself re-elected. We have no constitutional rights to guns here and the government is currently run by Lieberals which means they will support anything that they can twist to make them look like they are actively trying to make the sheeple "safe".
You're right that the more people it affects the more careful they have to be but unfortunately we are a small group and we're generally divided on most topics. They pick one specific rifle at a time because they know that for the most part if a guy doesn't have an M305/M14 he's unlikely to make a fuss when they ban the M14, then they go after the next one and slowly pick away at them, this is why I doubt we'll see a general ban on all semi auto's all at once.

 

[tharkhold]

I think you underestimate your "rights", they can change the classification with the stroke of a pen and the government isn't going to care, we are a minority of mostly white males in Canada and therefore no one gives a rats ass what we think or if we are not treated fairly. We have no constitutional rights and the government is currently run by Lieberals which means they will support anything that they can twist to make them look like they are actively trying to make the sheeple "safe".

I don't, actually. I, and a few other fellows on CGN, work in the only body in Canada where our rights can be legally temporarily suspended. I know very well what my normal rights are.

 

[cr5]

I don't, actually. I, and a few other fellows on CGN, work in the only body in Canada where our rights can be legally temporarily suspended. I know very well what my normal rights are.

So do your "normal rights" entitle you to own and use an M14/M305 as a non restricted firearm?
I think we're screwed on this one if they decide to bend us over the table. The only thing that saved us on the Swiss Arms crap was that the PC were in power and pulled back on the reigns a little. If the Lieberals were in power when they did that I doubt we would have gotten them back.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with what you're saying and I have a lot to lose as I own a couple of them (one is expensive), I don't want to see this happen but we don't really have much say in what happens and non compliance isn't really an option for me when I have over $30,000 worth of firearms and prefer not to have them taken away with no compensation.

 

[dahs]

The biggest problem is, Canadians will flock in droves to hand them in should the classification change. Obviously some won't, but the majority will. And the horse cops do not have the ambition, nor manpower, to try and confiscate a non-restricted rifle. How would they do it? Old LGR records that we all know weren't destroyed, and whatever gun shop receipts they can get their grimy paws on. Now how many of those guns changed hands? How many times? I'm sure Mike from Canmore has most of them.

Every act of compliance is a Liberal win.

 

[cr5]

The biggest problem is, Canadians will flock in droves to hand them in should the classification change. Obviously some won't, but the majority will. And the horse cops do not have the ambition, nor manpower, to try and confiscate a non-restricted rifle. How would they do it? Old LGR records that we all know weren't destroyed, and whatever gun shop receipts they can get their grimy paws on. Now how many of those guns changed hands? How many times? I'm sure Mike from Canmore has most of them.

Every act of compliance is a Liberal win.

Regardless of whether or not people comply by turning them in or whether or not the RCMP's try to confiscate them is irrelevant, if they make them prohib people would have to be completely retarded to take their rifle out and use it again since being caught with it would mean serious criminal charges and most likely revoking your PAL along with confiscation of all of your firearms with no compensation as well as a firearms ban for the rest of your life.

We need to find a way to stop this crap before it gets to the point of compliance or non compliance.