Pinned Beowulf mag?

mHo2 said:
So does that make existing 5 rnd beos illegal?
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Dexter Morgan said:
Nobody really knows.

That argument goes in circles. The semantics of the discussion are endless.

One guy was indeed charged for having them. But the Crown dropped the charges before it went to trial.

We don't know which way a judge would have ruled. It really could have gone either way.
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Exactly how a rational gun owner will see it. We believe the Queen’s cowboys are not bringing charges to trial as they don’t want to really know what will happen either. So, as of now, it seems intimidation is the game they’re playing. Basically, what it appears now is anyone caught with Beus have the option of having the mags confiscated and charges dropped. Most people will take this option as it costs less. So unless they hit upon a gun owner with deep pockets and deeper convictions to push this to the limit, we may never know how the Beu issue will really turn out.

Kodiakjack, hope this kinda answers your question. I don’t have the answer and I don’t think anyone here does either.
 
kodiakjack said:
Easy there tiger.

It doesn’t matter for him... It matters for me. I, like a thousand other Nutterz here this weekend, have an AR lower inbound, and I’m playing with the idea of 450/458/50. 50beo mag owners seem to outnumber 50beo rifle owners 100:1. Given the Op’s statement, I thought he might be one of the few I could get an opinion from.

Now, as I recall, YOU happen to have almost every gun under the sun... do YOU have a 50?
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I've got one. It's a great time! PM me if you need help with anything.
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Nobody really knows.

That argument goes in circles. The semantics of the discussion are endless.

One guy was indeed charged for having them. But the Crown dropped the charges before it went to trial.

We don't know which way a judge would have ruled. It really could have gone either way.
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Id be interested to see if anyone has current FRT information on the Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags, last time about a year ago when the debate came up on legality of them tons of people said they were illegal. However someone posted the FRT numbers stating that for those specific brand mags were still legal.
 
mHo2 said:
What? How? If I get pulled over with one in my trunk it doesn't really what my own decision is
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Because no one can tell you for sure except a judge. Oh sure, the usual suspects will be along shortly to tell you they are deemed prohibited by law but the reality is the law hasn’t changed but the rcmp’s interpretation of that law has recently and only a judge can decide if that interpretation is correct.
 
mHo2 said:
What? How? If I get pulled over with one in my trunk it doesn't really what my own decision is
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Thats why i hide them under my MG34 250 round belts. Theyll be to busy chitting briks to even care at that point....lol

Unless youre a douchebag shooting fridges up in the bush I dont see why they would stop you !
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Nobody really knows.

That argument goes in circles. The semantics of the discussion are endless.

One guy was indeed charged for having them. But the Crown dropped the charges before it went to trial.

We don't know which way a judge would have ruled. It really could have gone either way.
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Interesting, were they returned to him?
 
DILLIGAF said:
Thats why i hide them under my MG34 250 round belts. Theyll be to busy chitting briks to even care at that point....lol

Unless youre a douchebag shooting fridges up in the bush I dont see why they would stop you !
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Lol no not doing that. But you never know when you'll get pulled over.
 
mHo2 said:
But you never know when you'll get pulled over.
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I start with " Im recording this conversation " and start rolling the video :)

Ive been stopped for speeding more than id like to admit. Not once did I ever get my car searched. I dont know why everyone is so paranoid of the RCMP, they are just guys doing their jobs.

Dont give them lip, shut your pie hole, listen instead of talking.
 
mHo2 said:
Hi,

Recently I purchased a .50 Beowulf ar compatible magazine. However when i received it, it was pinned at capacity of 2 for the 50 Beowulf mag. Is it legal to remove the pin to increase the mag capacity to 5, or is it illegal to perform any mag modifications in Canada.

Thanks!
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You've been around since 2012 and have never read any of the hundreds of BEO posts ? Weird .
 
DILLIGAF said:
Now it sucks that the new mags are pinned to 2 and altering them is illegal. But im sure our orgs are fighting for us and this will be resolved shortly.
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which org has a court date set, challenging the RCMP interpretation of the cartridge control regulations on said magazine?
 
Dexter Morgan said:
Nobody really knows.

That argument goes in circles. The semantics of the discussion are endless.

One guy was indeed charged for having them. But the Crown dropped the charges before it went to trial.

We don't know which way a judge would have ruled. It really could have gone either way.
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No, One guy plead out on a number of other charges, got a deal and never got the mags back.
 
kodiakjack said:
So... this is something I brought up during the buttler creek fiasco too, but: Who tells you?

If “Bob” walked into his LGS a few years ago and bought a 50beo rifle, and a few mags... he goes to his small local range once in a while to plink with it... then suddenly the horsecops reinterpret something... but who tells Bob? How does Bob know? Bob doesn’t have time to surf CGN, or hang out at the gun counter absorbing gossip...Bob just has a 5 round mag for his semi-auto rifle just like the regs allow, and has no idea he’s in possession of a naughty, do-not-pass-go mag. How could Bob possibly be expected to know. And if the horsecops DID bring the hammer down on him, how could he possibly not win in court and set a precedent?

I mean, heck, forget Bob even, how is the local constabulary supposed to know? They go to the range and see Bob shooting an AR that looks like every other AR, and goes bang 5 times like every other AR...
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Ignorance of the law is not a viable defense when it comes to charges like "possession of a prohibited device"
 
Runningfool said:
Two cases we know of, one verified the other not. In both cases the charges were dropped. In one the mags were returned, in the other they were not returned.
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The one where the guy claims to have had them returned is false as there is no record that can be found of it ever happening.
 
JohnnyP636 said:
Id be interested to see if anyone has current FRT information on the Alexander Arms .50 Beo mags, last time about a year ago when the debate came up on legality of them tons of people said they were illegal. However someone posted the FRT numbers stating that for those specific brand mags were still legal.
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Magazines are not given an FRT, however, the legal comments in the FRT on 50 beowulf rifles reads like this

In the case of AR platform rifles chambered for the 50 Beowulf calibre, the magazine is adapted from the original 5.56x45 NATO version of the magazine but the ability of the magazine to perform as originally designed has not been compromised by the adaption. As a result such magazines are prohibited if they contain more than five 5.56x45 NATO cartridges. The magazines are in effect dual calibre magazines and are prohibited if they exceed five shots capacity of either calibre. An AR platform magazine limited to no more than five 5.56x45 NATO (223 Remington) cartridges will hold no more than two 50 Beowulf cartridges

The "Canadian Law Comments" section for FRT #121656.
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