Bill c-71

I just tried reading this document... I can't make heads or tails out of it. I think I got the part about getting authorization to transfer a NR firearm, but I didn't get too much about anything else.

Oh, the CZ and the SwissArms are going prohib... Othere than that, I didn't get jack-#### out of this nauseating mess. What about ATTs for restricted?
 
IIRC, there is ONLY ONE firearms officer in Alberta (for example). This poor bastards (completely unlisted and nearly impossible to find) phone number is going to be ringing off the hook now. Cabela's will need a direct line. what a sh1t show.

Acknowledging that this is still early days, the level to which they want to sink their fingers into the normal day to day gun ownership is remarkable. Ok, some of the Restricted stuff, sure maybe the screws need to be a bit tighter, but the extent now is bananas.
 
Forester1986 said:
CZ should have to provide NR receivers to those customers who got screwed over by them pumping out converted receivers in the first place.
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It’s not CZ’s fault. Under their laws and rules they have done nothing wrong and they should not be accountable every time some banana republic like Canada becomes creatively incompetent. The reality is that our badly written laws are our problem. It’s also the risk you take being a gun owner in canada. If you bought you had rights or a secure ownership title then you’d better grow up fast because you are going to be disappointed
 
Well looks.like J.R. Cox , the owner of the shooting edge in Calgary, will be firearms community enemy number one again, he's the one that instigated this whole SAN review by the RCMP many years ago because he couldn't shut his pie hole. Long story to explain here but those interested can go digging and find the truth.

Sad really.
 
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Strangeday said:
It’s not CZ’s fault. Under their laws and rules they have done nothing wrong and they should not be accountable every time some banana republic like Canada becomes creatively incompetent. The reality is that our badly written laws are our problem. It’s also the risk you take being a gun owner in canada. If you bought you had rights or a secure ownership title then you’d better grow up fast because you are going to be disappointed
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It's pretty plainly written that converted autos are prohib in Canada. The gun was made specifically for the Canadian market. Was not originally made with converted auto recievers. When they ran out of semi auto recievers they simply started converting auto recievers without looking into our laws. The entire issue with the CZ 858 family of firearms is their fault. Dealers should not have to peiodically dissasemble firearms to ensure some company didn't suddenly start to use converted auto recievers.
 
Reference Number for Transfer of Non-Restricted Firearms. The requirement for a reference number for transfer of non-restricted firearms is likely intended to improve public safety by identifying firearms licensees purchasing large numbers of firearms and who may be engaged in “straw purchases” for unlicensed individuals.

Confiscation of Prohibited Items without Compensation. This change is very troubling because the RCMP could reclassify an item as prohibited that was lawfully purchased under the previous interpretation, and then seize the item. I’m no lawyer but I believe this scenario is akin to an officially induced error. I don’t understand how an item can change classification unless it was misrepresented or originally classified in error, in which latter case the classifying authority should be liable for any damages caused by its error. For example, AR-type carbines lawfully purchased as restricted firearms, as specified by the RCMP or legislation, should not be seized without compensation if the RCMP reclassify them as prohibited, which implies that the RCMP erred in the original classification.
 
Steve MKII said:
What details are you looking for?
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probably how they are going to handle the absolutely insane number of calls they'll be receiving from the thousands and thousands on NON RESTRICTED transfers that will occur DAILY. details like that you know. That they either over looked, or intended fully to dissuade private ownership and sales of any firearms.
 
eldarbo said:
probably how they are going to handle the absolutely insane number of calls they'll be receiving from the thousands and thousands on NON RESTRICTED transfers that will occur DAILY. details like that you know. That they either over looked, or intended fully to dissuade private ownership and sales of any firearms.
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Granted that this will be a nightmare, but its a "not our problem" nightmare, its the FO's nightmare. And he'll never get the funding, so the transfers will never take place. Its ingenious really. They write the bills, they don't have to figure out if any of it is "Logical" or realistic to implement.

All that said. Its in its first reading... maybe it can be dragged out and never implemented until PM Dressup has to hold an election and is sent back to the substitute teachers pool in Quebec. And with THAT said I could see the NR transfer paperwork being dropped from the bill in the final reading.
 
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meatball74 said:
IIRC, there is ONLY ONE firearms officer in Alberta (for example). This poor bastards (completely unlisted and nearly impossible to find) phone number is going to be ringing off the hook now. Cabela's will need a direct line. what a sh1t show.

Acknowledging that this is still early days, the level to which they want to sink their fingers into the normal day to day gun ownership is remarkable. Ok, some of the Restricted stuff, sure maybe the screws need to be a bit tighter, but the extent now is bananas.
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The screws were already too tight.
 
meatball74 said:
Granted that this will be a nightmare, but its a "not our problem" nightmare, its the FO's nightmare. And he'll never get the funding, so the transfers will never take place. Its ingenious really. They write the bills, they don't have to figure out if any of it is "Logical".

All that said. Its in its first reading... maybe it can be dragged out and never implemented until PM Dressup has to hold an election and is sent back to the substitute teachers pool in Quebec.
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Election is, at most, 19 months away. That's an awfully long time to stall if they have a majority government. Applying pressure to MP's so that they end up with a bunch of no-show's is our only real chance, and that is assuming that no NDP or other party's MP's vote for it enough for it to pass anyway.
 
The scary part....

The Registrar shall issue a reference number if he or she is satisfied that the transferee holds and is still eligible to hold a licence authorizing them to acquire and possess a non-restricted firearm.

so, now the fine folks at on the phone get to decide??
 
I guess until the end of June 2018 swiss arms and cz 858 prices are gonna sky rocket!! Wish I kept mine now!! But on another note now is the time to voice your opinion ( respectively) to your MP's I have already sent mine an email!!
 
Farmer2285 said:
I guess until the end of June 2018 swiss arms and cz 858 prices are gonna sky rocket!! Wish I kept mine now!!
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And then immediately crash because you can't shoot them, the number of potential buyers is fixed and they all already have one, so there's no incentive for them to have more paper weights unless they're just trying to catch 'em all.
 
Necroman99 said:
What if I just lend a guy a gun? I don't even understand what this says. My rifles are not registered now...as far as the government is concerned I don't "own" any. My brother and I honestly do co own a few...i don't see that I need to call the rcmp to lend him his own gun. Which now makes it all unenforceable
..i sell a gun no one knows I own to someone else...unless the cop is at my house who's to know?
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This is why I see widespread non-compliance with this, just like the LGR.

I'm not going to get too excited about any of this until after the next election. I, perhaps naively, believe that a CPC government would do away with much of this crap if their past rhetoric is to believed, that is. Many of us waited out LGR for over 20 years, so this should be a picnic.

Not like it hasn't been said a thousand times before, but we just all need to get collectively serious about burying these ding-dongs in 2019.

If Trudeau is still in power after Round 2, then I might consider taking up a hobby with less stress and intrusive government/RCMP oversight, like selling crack and opioids.
 
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meatball74 said:
Granted that this will be a nightmare, but its a "not our problem" nightmare, its the FO's nightmare. And he'll never get the funding, so the transfers will never take place. Its ingenious really. They write the bills, they don't have to figure out if any of it is "Logical" or realistic to implement.

All that said. Its in its first reading... maybe it can be dragged out and never implemented until PM Dressup has to hold an election and is sent back to the substitute teachers pool in Quebec. And with THAT said I could see the NR transfer paperwork being dropped from the bill in the final reading.
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i agree with you there, i really hope the NR transfer BS is dropped from this at least. Any new legislation is too much, we simply don't have a gun problem in this country.
 
Siggy Stardust said:
This is why I see widespread non-compliance with this, just like the LGR.

I'm not going to get too excited about any of this until after the next election. I, perhaps naively, believe that a CPC government would do away with much of this crap if their past rhetoric is to believed, that is.

If the Trudeau is still in power in 2019, then I might consider taking up a hobby with less stress and intrusive government oversight, like selling crack and opioids.
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We should joint venture, I'm looking for a growth industry. While all the cops are chasing paperwork firearms criminals we can get lotza.people hooked.
 
SCDL said:
And then immediately crash because you can't shoot them, the number of potential buyers is fixed and they all already have one, so there's no incentive for them to have more paper weights unless they're just trying to catch 'em all.
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^^ This ^^
I don't understand the mentality of Rushing out to buy a rifle that stands a nearly 100% chance of becoming prohibited.

And am getting a kick out of all the retailers - "Hurry buy one now before you can never shoot it again". Vultures. Sounds more like "Hurry and buy these off us so we aren't stuck with them"...
 
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