REPLACEMENT CZ 858 Receivers

Mr Wolverine

CGN Regular
Location
Manitoba. Canada
The question of the availability of more Kodiak Defence 858 receivers has been raised, currently we have none in stock. Right now we need Kodiak to concentrate on the WK180-C production so we are not planning to submit a PO any time soon. The Kodiak 858 receiver has a non restricted FRT and is not affected by Bill C 71 AT THIS TIME! The Kodiak receiver will accept all CZ 858 parts, the barrel is a press fit, correct head spacing has to be insured and the trigger parts do require fitting as a different retaining system is used, so this is not a DIY change out, at least not for most. All of this takes time which equals money. There is also a liability question if someone changes out their own parts as we have no control over the quality of the finished product. Ideally if we do this we would want customers to return their rifles to us for a rebuild. I have seen rifles that are simply not worth rebuilding, then we have our time processing, handling packaging and shipping. I think the final cost will be close to half the price of a new Kodiak rifle!

If we do a production run I do not think it will happen before next year. This leaves current CZ 858 owners a few options. Firstly you sell you CZ 858 now and purchase a new Kodiak Defence 858, prices start at $1,249.99 https://www.wolverinesupplies.com/Products/firearms/rifles#?sortValue=0&MANUFACTURER=KODIAK%20DEFENSE
Secondly if Bill C71 becomes law you can register your CZ 858 now and be Grandfathered in that class. You always have the option of rebuilding onto a Kodiak receiver at a later date and have both a Grandfathered registered CZ 858 receiver and a non restricted Kodiak 858 rifle.
The third option if you do not want to register your CZ 858 is to cut the receiver on a chop saw or similar so the receiver is destroyed before the registration deadline, currently I understand this is June 2019 for non restricted rifles. (That is rifle with a barrel over 18.5 inches) You then have the option of rebuilding onto a new receiver at a later date.

Right now do not panic, take your time to make an informed decision.

We need to see a lot more interest than the odd enquirer we are currently getting before we commit to placing a PO to Kodiak for more 858 receivers.
 
Errrmmm, the 3rd option is heresy. Sorry but if you're gonna chop a CZ858 receiver, even a totally beat up one, sell it instead. Even for real cheap you're gonna get something out of it, and I can assure you there's a buyer somewhere out there who'd like a cheap receiver just to be granfthered in.

Worst case, instead of chopping it, contact me and I'll pay for shipping to me.
 
Errrmmm, the 3rd option is heresy. Sorry but if you're gonna chop a CZ858 receiver, even a totally beat up one, sell it instead. Even for real cheap you're gonna get something out of it, and I can assure you there's a buyer somewhere out there who'd like a cheap receiver just to be granfthered in.

Worst case, instead of chopping it, contact me and I'll pay for shipping to me.

Heck I'd take a receiver that someone is going to chop. Will even pay for it.
 
Errrmmm, the 3rd option is heresy. Sorry but if you're gonna chop a CZ858 receiver, even a totally beat up one, sell it instead. Even for real cheap you're gonna get something out of it, and I can assure you there's a buyer somewhere out there who'd like a cheap receiver just to be granfthered in.

Worst case, instead of chopping it, contact me and I'll pay for shipping to me.

He's saying if you chop the receiver you are still legal with what's left to build on another legal receiver at some point. Basically turning the prohib rifle into a parts kit....
 
Imho there is a question concerning Wolverine's and CZ's liability for selling guns made of converted automatic receivers.

Oh boy i won't be popular here.

At least its been said.
 
Register the gun . Wait until they produce new receivers . Send
gun in for receiver change. You get a non restricted gun back, plus
your old receiver that allows you to be in the 858 class.
 
Imho there is a question concerning Wolverine's and CZ's liability for selling guns made of converted automatic receivers.

Oh boy i won't be popular here.

At least its been said.

Liability of the RCMP officer who gave the FRT in the first place. Wolverine had the legal documents to sell the gun.
 
Liability of the RCMP officer who gave the FRT in the first place. Wolverine had the legal documents to sell the gun.

As i understand it, the firsts imports were not converted autos. The FRT approved guns did not have the problematic receivers.

Then CZ changed receivers on the next batches and it got through customs like that for years.

Converted automatic guns always have been prohibited.

No law change there. Only thing that changed ? The receiver.

Pretty easy to see its a converted auto, it has the automatic sear and its filled with welding.
 
As i understand it, the firsts imports were not converted autos. The FRT approved guns did not have the problematic receivers.

Then CZ changed receivers on the next batches and it got through customs like that for years.

Converted automatic guns always have been prohibited.

No law change there. Only thing that changed ? The receiver.

Pretty easy to see its a converted auto, it has the automatic sear and its filled with welding.

You are wrong, all the receiver's were identical internally, all showing the same welds, the first four that were submitted to the RCMP had the same welds. Not the first time the RCMP have changed their minds. This is all history now, the debate is long over.

There are many other firearms in Canada where the receivers are identical between prohibited and non prohibited models, some of these sell for several thousand dollars each but I am not about to list them here!
 
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You are wrong, all the receiver's were identical internally, all showing the same welds, the first four that were submitted to the RCMP had the same welds. Not the first time the RCMP have changed their minds.

Thanks for the info.

Then the RCMP is to blame.

I appreciate that you are taking the time to clarify things.
 
Mr Wolverine, thanks for providing us with options...

If my worst case scenario becomes true - the currently NR CZ-858s become prohibited after much fighting - my preference would be to go with your Option 2... That would be my personal "up yours" to the powers that be, I am "grandfathered" in the newly created prohibited class (whatever that means...) via the receiver and I get to use the rest of the parts into a new NR rifle. For me, it is a matter of principle and I would be willing to pay half the price of a new Kodiak rifle. You can count me in as a definite customer when the time comes, thanks!
 
The funny fact is trying to get a mill to make a nice cut through a weld verses a virgin piece of metal. It's easier to modify and convert a non-molested receiver than a welded one.
The government and RCMP are obtuse when it comes to firearms reality and facts.
 
He's saying if you chop the receiver you are still legal with what's left to build on another legal receiver at some point. Basically turning the prohib rifle into a parts kit....

And if you don't chop it you end up with a part kit and a receiver you can sell or give to someone who wants to be granfathered in. Or get granfathered in yourself. You don't lose the part kit because if you don't chop the receiver.
 
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